To think a second Brexit referendum will not happen

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I am a remainer, but people campaigning for a second Referendum are wasting their time. It is not going to happen.

Go on then Ethel tell us all the facts you know about Brexit.... Excuse me while I butt out and read more realistic posts for a while.

Noname99 Yeah that's all very interesting, but how is someone who already has to budget down to the last penny going to cope with rising food prices, and what is my dad going to do if he can't get his Parkinson's medication?

@Noname99 Wrong again, i considered voting leave, one reason i didn't was that 2 years is not anywhere enough time to disentangle ourselves from 43 years of EEC/EU membership, another was there was no plan from people like Gove or Boris... just series of wish lists.
I looked at disadvantaged adults and children, how lower spending affects them, the numbers of eu health workers in the UK, our reliance on them and what would happen if they started to leave.
I considered our trading relationships and how no one within leave had any idea how to replicate what we d lose.

On balance, I decided to remain, I don’t work for an exporting company and in some ways less Eu migration might actually benefit me, I voted for bigger reasons than just what may be best for team Jas !

FinnegansWhiskers I have a master's degree in EU law, wrote my dissertation on how Article 50 works and used to advise the government on EU law for a living, but I learned long ago that leavers aren't interested in facts or analysis.

If that’s true jas then you should be able to understand even if you can’t accept how I considered the exact same things but came to a different conclusion. I respect your decision if that’s your thinking process (rather than let’s not change anything because of how it’ll effect me .....) you could consider respecting mine

You considered the "exact same things" that I spent years learning about through postgraduate study and professional practice? Yeah OK pal.

Ethel - your father is in that position because of the current Tory party austerity policy not Brexit.

The “exact same things” comment clearly says JAS not you.

Noname99 No, he is not in that position currently (as he is able to get his medication), but he may well be in that position post Brexit if the Tories take us out of the EU with no deal and supplies of the (many different) medications he depends upon are disrupted.

Let's not beat around the bush here. What with the risk to pharmaceutical supply chains and the prospect of violence in Northern Ireland over the border issue, there is a non-negligible risk of people actually dying thanks to the Tories' approach to Brexit.

I respect any ones choice (too many people died to give us the vote but it should be used thoughtfully and with wisdom) however, i did not vote to knowingly make life hard for somebody i've never met! Remain was for the status quo and perhaps in time, influence policy in what will still be our closet neighbours.

This is a decision that cannot be undone, that is possibly why remainers are so upset and leavers can smugly sit back.

Noname99 there is far too much posturing and rhetoric in international politics. We won't escape it we will just be weaker and less influential.

The people on the boats will still drown and we won't be able to do anything at all. And over on NI the troubles may start up again. And in Sunderland the poor will suffer because the economy has tanked. And workers rights may well be eroded. And we end up leaving the ECHR.

The EU is far from perfect but life outside it will almost certainly be harder and colder and we won't be able to even pretend to help the poor and the dispossessed.

As a remain voter, now accepts we have to leave, would accept Dr North's plans or even a Canadian plan, even EU offered us that 18 months. NOT A RUSSIAN BOT either. I am totally horrified by the comments of so many other remainers, IDOITS, RACISTS, CAN'T SPELL SO YOU SHOULDN'T VOTE. insults don't work. You all sound like bullies. .......... Can't believe someone who has abandon their country, for a better life, dares to lecture others who are sticking with us, and try to make the future better. ......... I have a DC just start university and one doing year11, I want T May to succeed, and personally hope the EU is successfully, but I want us to be more........... Christ it always about lose of rights to work abroad or not getting my next au pair on here, you don't care about kids like mine, as long as there is a cheap eastern European to do it. If the government had bothered to listen in the last 30 years it would have know to most WC people the EU wasn't liked, but no we just listened to the MC MNers and their need for cheap car washes and au pairs. its too late now to revote, I don't want to party of a club who kicks you when ask to leave.

Can't believe someone who has abandon their country, for a better life, dares to lecture others who are sticking with us, and try to make the future better. Oh don't give me that crap. I was in a long distance relationship with someone from another country - one which began long before Brexit was even a blot on the landscape, when we never had to consider the possibility of not being allowed to live in the same country. Brexit meant we had to pick a country and get on with it before we lost the right to be together. And given the state the UK is likely to be in once the Brexiters have finished asset stripping it, I'm afraid leaving was a no brainer. What would you have done in my position?

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A 'revote' is perfectly possible.

My concern is not for my au pair or about getting my car washed. If you read the post directly before your last one you will see what my concerns are. I and many other remain voters are concerned for the poor of this country.

It's been said many times by many posters the problems faced by the U.K. are significant and are caused by our governments. These problems need fixing by our governments. Leaving the EU will hit the poorest hardest.

I'm sorry if that doesn't fit your narrative.

Not sure why I'm being cast in the role of the person who doesn't give a shit about others as long as I get what I want. The leavers are the ones who seem to think that people on low incomes not being able to keep pace with rising food prices and people with complex illnesses not being able to get the medication they rely on are justifiable collateral damage and a price worth paying for leaving the EU.

(Oh and of course everyone living in Northern Ireland, about whom no fucks are apparently given.)

Ethel Did someone not advise the government and Tony Blair that there were weapons of mass destruction so the best plan of action was to go to war? And did someone advise Gordon Brown it was a top tip to sell the countries gold at knock down price? Governments are prediction can be wrong.

These are not "government predictions", these are now the almost inevitable consequences of a deal not being done in the next six months. And I saw these problems coming over two years ago and can prove it, because I wrote an academic paper about it.

it’s never going to happen and nor should it. If the result was to stay, do we then have another election in 2 years time where we decide to leave again? What the country needs now is a unified focus not more uncertainty

Yes predictions from one source can be wrong.

It's like climate change when 98% of the scientists are telling you one thing why would you believe the other 2%.

It's not just one institution saying there will be problems. I can't think of one major institution that has said "no worries it'll be finnnnnnne". All the major institutions, businesses and government bodies are warning of dire consequences.

When everybody is shouting that the boat is sinking you'd be foolish not to put on a life jacket. Or plug the hole in the boat.

I and many other remain voters are concerned for the poor of this country. LMFAO. So concerned that you call leave voters -,many of them poor - too thick to vote! Yeah you’re really concerned. The vast majority of remainers are pompous hypocrites who despise the poor. Especially the working class poor because they can’t exploit them.

I am totally horrified by the comments of so many other remainers, IDOITS, RACISTS, CAN'T SPELL SO YOU SHOULDN'T VOTE

I added a grin at the end of that comment to signify I wasn’t being serious, lighten up!

I have a DC just start university...... Christ it always about lose of rights to work abroad…… you don't care about kids like mine

It is LOSS not LOSE lol!

So she/he wants to broaden their out look and seeks to work in Spain, Italy or perhaps wants to study in Europe as part of a year out….. You've voted to make sure that wont happen.

Surfer, humour me for a minute. Just think about the possibility that we are right. Suppose the pound does crash further and push up the cost of all imported goods. Suppose supplies of food and medicine are disrupted and some people can't afford their supermarket shop or can't access the medication they need. Suppose violence does kick off again in Northern Ireland and people lose their lives as a result. That's not what people voted for, is it? Even if they didn't quite believe the slogan on the bus about £350m a week for the NHS, the message was pretty clear, wasn't it? We stop sending money to the EU so we can spend it on our people at home. What happens if they never see the benefit of any of that money, and NHS services are cut further because the country is broke and loads of EU doctors and nurses have gone home? What if someone's son or daughter commits suicide because mental health budgets are slashed to nothing? I would be very surprised if you asked the average working class person or someone on a low income if they would vote for something that had those consequences, and they said yes. People vote for things they think are going to make their lives better, not worse.

Ethel did you loose your job as a result of brexit. Or perhaps you will. You have had close experience with the eu and your livelihood depended on it. You have invested much time with various degrees studying it. I can understand why you feel deeply upset. But, other people have had up close relations with the eu and found it scary, and lacking and unable to change. Other people have lost jobs and seen standards of living drop. They feel just as bitter about the eu and they want to leave. Personally I feel all sides have valid reasons to feel and vote as they do. That is democracy!!