To think that I should be told if my daughters girl guiding leader is actually a man.

[Angryresister]

Apparently it is policy now to not give parents information about male people who self identify as women ,as leaders, or the information that a boy will now be part of the group. This goes against all safeguarding procedures and there will be a major scandal when dangerous preditors take advantage of this policy to get to access girls . The organisation is also sacking volunteers who raise questions. There seem to be fewer and fewer girl only activities available these days

@P3onyPenny has already made up their mind that any reasonable debate about trans women in GG is automatically 'transphobic' and as such is stubbornly and willfully deliberately refusing to listen and hear rational arguments. She is the example of a closed-minded bigot who refuses to listen and that reason is because they are afraid the logic and arguments will change her mind, and damn she refuses to have to change her stance, and has a selfish and callous disregard for the rights of girls to have their own safe space. It shocks me to read she has a daughter as she clearly does not give a damn about the rights of girls. Her poor daughter! Parents like her who don't like girls and have no sensitivity to the needs of a girl with regards to things like having a female to discuss periods with usually are neglectful of any daughters they have.

In short, she wants to be a virtue-signalling warrior who feels important and superior and she doesn't want to be in a discussion that might challenge her and lead to her learning her position is wrong.

@P3onyPenny is childrightsphobic.

So anyone who has a different viewpoint it goes straight to being piled in on via name calling/being told they're wrong?
Sounds about right for these threads. Not to mention a tad ironic when accusing deliberately not listening to others arguments.

rainbowsandsmiles We offered evidence, she offered none. We explained the safeguarding issues, she called us 'transphobic'.

I think you'll find the name-calling came from her.

She did to be fair offer a whole load of shit that no one had actually said...

She did that lots...

Why were GirlGuiding apparently afraid to say out loud, to parents, that they now accept self-id for leaders and guides?
If they were happy with their decision, why did they not notify parents and let them make their own decisions about their own children?

Do remember ladies, stating the truth is bullying now. And it's ok for posters to disagree with other posters if they're being homophobic whilst throwing out accusations of transphobia, but you can't disagree with them or you're meeeeean.

I’d just like Peony to come back and answer my question about appointing anyone who says they are a woman as a female guide leader. Would be helpful.

Oh I didn't realise.

Saw it on Twitter giving info about Susie Green. Not sure she should be advising people TBH

Kiwifarms aren't stalkers nor do they dox unless it is necessary, ie if some innocent person is being taken advantage of or scammed - what they do do though, is call out racists and bigots and expose loons on the net.

Pull the other one, it has bells on. The site was a significant base of operations during Gamergate, and continues to be a port of call for MRAs and other "anti-SJW" crusaders.

Why aren't all of you supporting the stance of the guides because of your belief that you are not transphobic berating them because they manage out female bodied members who identify as boys?

Supplementary question - why have you elevated gender identity above sex?

I'd sincerely love to know the reasoning behind both positions.

Apparently most parents would not allow teen boys and girls to sleep in the same room at home? Yet some will allow it at Guides? I can only assume that the name "transgirl" magically means no risk whatsoever of hanky panky!! How on earth can some parents be so naive?

the key theme of there being little debate/ public discourse and the fact that any challenge to policies being quietly brought in is a great concern. Many debates have been attempted but they get targeted by protesters ( against women airing their views on this ) and so venues are too scared to host any debates , so there are none! If you question it you get labelled transphobic and already people who have eloquently put forward their views are being threatened with being silenced on twitter / facebook and indeed you can be accused of hate crime by stating a different view - very very scary stuff so if you dont know about it check out the gra consultation on gov website - share your views on there . Deadline is oct. 19th

@NicolaHare Lol really? Nothing could be further from the truth. Where are you getting your information from? I have been reading the site for years (don't post there though) and have NEVER come across anything even remotely MRA-related. And far from being anti-sjw, they are a very left wing site. Conservatives or anti-feminists don't last long there.

Anyway, this is an interesting article: medium.com/@ashleylynch/a-final-word-on-notyourshield-628ca5876cec

I'm not using to say that most of the gender critical posters here aren't genuine. I think the majority are, but I also think there are a few bad faith actors trying to shift the overall conversation to a more extreme place.

I think the majority are, but I also think there are a few bad faith actors trying to shift the overall conversation to a more extreme place

I think this happens with people on both sides of just about every debate

GC and non GC in this case

Plus when someone says dont look at this its a very human thing to go and look at it!

I think the majority are, but I also think there are a few bad faith actors trying to shift the overall conversation to a more extreme place

It would be naive not to assume that all debates online don’t have a disruptive, extreme, trolling element.

Let’s just stick to the facts and the main debate. Leave the name calling and the flouncing to the fringes.

Back to the point: how do we know the men who self I’d as transwomen are what they say they are and aren’t actually sexual predators? Thoughts anyone?

Because I cannot see a solution that trans campaigners would be happy with. We aren’t allowed to ask for: dead names/ GRC/ previous history without accusations of transphobia. It makes safeguarding almost impossible.