To think that I should be told if my daughters girl guiding leader is actually a man.

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Apparently it is policy now to not give parents information about male people who self identify as women ,as leaders, or the information that a boy will now be part of the group. This goes against all safeguarding procedures and there will be a major scandal when dangerous preditors take advantage of this policy to get to access girls . The organisation is also sacking volunteers who raise questions. There seem to be fewer and fewer girl only activities available these days

I'm not down loading a pdf document from an unknown source.

No you will protect your comupter from an unknown threat but little girls are a what if......

For me, it’s the secrecy. You don’t have to say Marie is trans but you can say our policy around trans children is x and our policy around trans leaders is y in a really clear way so that parents are informed of what is and isn’t policy and that they clearly know that children and adults of the opposite sex who identify as the same gender will have access to their female sex and gender children in a way they wouldn’t if they identified differently, and they won’t be informed about this when/ if it happens.

Not being clear, not informing people, having policies which welcome and advise secrecy are all openings for unsavoury individuals to pick at a loophole and exploit it for their own ends.

Christ how stupid are people??

Not as stupid as the people who select one sentence out of a whole post, and use that to misrepresent what some one says.

But whatever. Crack on.

Not being clear, not informing people, having policies which welcome and advise secrecy are all openings for unsavoury individuals to pick at a loophole and exploit it for their own ends.

Exactly.

So much respect and anger on behalf of the Girlguiding leaders who have been hounded out for raising this by the right-on fat cats at the top. Don’t the executives care about keeping girls safe? It seems not.

These anti-trans girl guiding bloody "bogey-man' threads are as repetitive and tedious as they are transphobic. Some people here are OBSESSED with trans women.

iamnotanumber10

Or they are obsessed with the safety of children

So we are supposed to ignore and not explore potential fall out?

I'm sure the prison service did exactly that.

The issue with the sex offender placed in a woman's prison is that they were a sex offender. I'm going to assume that the girl guides won't give a rapist a position of authority in the girl guides. Or are we back on all transwomen are actually sex offenders/paedos kick? How many transwomen are guide leaders, anyone know?

No. If you read this thread www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3314566-another-girlguiding-update you will see all the nuances of the issue.

The biggest danger from the GG for children that I can see is the new sponsorship deal with the British Military - recruiting children for the bloody army is obscene and the bigger danger to your girls. The army are recruiting younger and younger for their latest cannon fodder - that's what you need to protect your kids from.

iamnotanumber predatory men have been using schools and clubs to access children for decades. David Challenor - now a convicted child rapist - had a position in the Scouts despite his children being in care and him being banned from keeping animals. Does Jimmy Savile not mean anything to you? Or the history of abuse at boarding schools and in the church.

Predatory men use positions of power and try’s to access vulnerable children. That’s why we have safeguarding.

Try’s = trust

Rightreckoner - Safeguarding still applies to trans women. It's not as if they'll get a free pass and skip the DSB because they are trans.
ALL adults are screened under safeguarding. With your logic no MEN should be Scout leaders, no MEN should run clubs, coach football, be teachers, work in child care, work in a nursery.
Or is your argument that any transperson who wants to volunteer in girl guiding is immediately predatory because they, ell, are trans and whant to volunteer in GG?

Your arguments sound a LOT like the ones that were used for years in this country against lesbian and gay teachers in schools, AND are STILL used around the world, Even in the USA, STILL>

I too used to be upset at the ‘tone’ of some posters. I now realise the angrier they are, the longer they’ve been aware of these issues while everyone else was in blissful ignorance

Yep

They are fed up with saying the same stuff eleventy billion times

iamnotanumber10 Do you support these guidelines then? Do you think it's okay for male teenagers to share sleeping accommodation and facilities with girls without their parents being informed?

Rightreckoner - Safeguarding still applies to trans women. It's not as if they'll get a free pass and skip the DSB because they are trans.

You are aware of the push for trans women to not have to declare their previous names and for certain sex specific convictions to be wiped and not show up on DBS, because ‘privacy’.

This has fuck all to do with transsexuals and everything to do with predators weakening safeguarding under the guise of ‘trans rights’.

Are people not reading the thread?

They really dont seem to be

That’s the whole point. Safeguarding is being dismantled with regard to trans people. Male bodied people are being allowed into girl only spaces which means effectively any man can enter. See the Karen White debacle. And on top of that Guides are telling girls not to voice their objections to sharing spaces with boys. And keeping it secret from parents. That is a safeguarding 101.

I though Mumsnet was supposed to have some guidelines around trans convos? Like some basic respect in language, such as not repeatedly calling trans girls male, or trans women men?
Yes, I do support trans girls being allowed in GG if that's what they want to do, and no I don't think that it should be announced to all the parents like the freakshow has just arrived in town.

Safeguarding is in place, respect for privacy will be in place, adult supervision will be in place. A transgirl isn't trans as some ploy to get at your teenage daughters. FFS.

They are not psychic iamnot

You have to tell them if there are posts breaking talk guidelines

So so in your language, let’s let girls with penises share a tent with girls without penises and if the girls without penises don’t like it they should leave. Guiding sounds great for some girls.

iamnotanumber10

Safeguarding is only in place because people are beginning to realise how dangerous some of the Trans rights demands are.

Did you know that they have stated that if they approach a teacher the teacher will keep their secret? This is directly against all school safeguarding policies.