To admire Theresa May

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As a woman. I don't agree with her policies and brexit strategies but I do think she is an amazingly strong and powerful figure, with the confidence to stick to her beliefs, even in the face of such negativity! That takes guts!
Watching her in Brussels surrounded by a crowd of important men, I did think good on her for standing up to them. Anyone agree?
She gets a lot of negative press and i never hear of her being shown as a role model for women.

Corbyn is an ardent and long standing Brexiter
DO NOT expect Labour to sort out this mess

Corbyn has been sodding useless. NOBODY is representing remainers, ie half the population

Why is it his job? How can the opposition critique the deal (as they're meant to) if they're angling in a different direction entirely?

Many remainers feel we have to go with this because the civil unrest in the country that would be sparked by a reversal of brexit is unacceptable. It's a reasonable view. Perhaps Corbyn shares it. Perhaps he's just getting on with trying to get the best deal possible now we're committed.

Opposition is doing jack shit. In fact it is incredible that they are actually so utterly rubbish and ineffectual.
Brexit should have had a plan and be cross party. Just saying don't expect Labour to back remain is not good enough.
TM has had to try to fudge the issue and try please everyone. It's no good just blaming her because what is she actually meant to do. It seems to me that ALL THE MEN are good at criticising but not at coming up with ideas and workable alternatives. Easier just to let the woman do it and blame her.

I have to say, that it doesn't do anything for the pervasive stereotype of your average Brexiteer as blinkered, uninformed and jingoistic, that it takes someone from the Remain side to sort this out, to the best of her abilities. Because no Brexit leaders is even vaguely capable.

And all Brexiteers do - leaders and supporters - is bitch and snipe in return.

It's like an episode of Monty Python.

She makes me think of the catchphrase ‘Weebles wobble but they don’t fall down’ because throughout her premiership she has seemed to wobble precariously and has often looked as if she’s keeled over beyond the point of political recovery only to bob back up again, ready to roll with the punches once more.

Her most noteworthy feature is doggedness.

TM was never a genuine remainer. She's someone who votes whichever way gives her the best political advantage. She expected Remain to win, is all. She is temperamentally a leaver - very very anti immigrants. And a really nasty piece of work, who knows how to bully and nothing else.

Agree wholeheartedly op.

And a really nasty piece of work, who knows how to bully and nothing else.

Nicely describes the shower of incompetents complaining from the Brexit side.

The "people" didn't vote for a No Deal Brexit, or for an out of the Single Market and Customs Union Brexit - the latter was TM's idea. She is responsible for this mess (her and Dave C, obviously). The people definitely didn't anticipate or vote for a stockpile food and medicine, expect civil unrest, lose the NHS and be poor forever Brexit. Which is what TM is delivering, while denying a final vote on the current reality.

Drama queens. That’s what some remainers are. Civil unrest. If there is, itlll be only the usual suspects, wound up by remainers.

Or,
Delusional sheep, that's what many Leavers are. If you mean the usual suspects are people needing meds, then I wouldn't blame them. You just don't care, do you?

The "people" didn't vote for a No Deal Brexit, or for an out of the Single Market and Customs Union Brexit - the latter was TM's idea

What did the "people" vote for?

They just voted to leave - without caring there wasn't so much as a hint of a plan - so May is now coming up with whatever she can pull together.

Which is better than what anyone else is coming up with....?

I think TM is imbetween a rock and a hard place. If she called for a second referendum/said we will remain the hard brexit voters would rally up xenophobic allies and I think there would be real unrest.

She tried to leave while remaining and clearly the EU are laughing. The EU has every right to want to maintain that you can't have both. It is not for negotiation. So what can she do? David and Boris are very much to blame.

Her demeanor looks weak. She needs to charm not to whine which is what she seems to do.

I lost all respect for her over grammar schools and getting into bed with the DUP. Her weak mannerisms almost make you forget. I think she's a snob and because I pitty her position in Brussels I lose sight that she is like all other Tories.

But again - not one single Brexiteer is capable of either leading the country, or coming to the table with a deal to negotiate, so...

I think brexit is/was a poisoned chalice for anyone and Cameron knew that when he scuttled off to hide under a rock after the result!

May has been shafted - but she opened herself up to it. She was so desperate to be PM she didn't fully think through the ramifications.

Also even IF I agreed with her policies/ideology I still wouldn't like her, and I know Tory voters who don't like her for the same reasons. Because she ISN'T strong, she's vague, too easily led by others within her party, doesn't really have principles she sticks to - too malleable! She's not quick witted enough to be PM, a grafter possibly front bencher but not PM.

If you look at her work history inc in parliament she's loyal and follows direction well but she's not a leader.

Say what you like about thatcher (and I certainly wasn't a fan) she was always very clear about what she believed in and stuck to clearly defined principles. She genuinely believed what she said and that her actions were what was right for Britain. I don't think she was right I think she wrecked the country and we're still suffering the consequences.

But the actions and consequent results of a weak leader are far more damaging than the wrong but with a clear plan of actions of a strong one (not sure I've worded that too well but it's late).

I'm a remainer, but the votes were cast and we live in a democracy.

What we needed was a strong negotiator to guide our course through this shit storm and get the best deal possible. Even Boris would've been better (yes he's a knob but he's not as daft as he makes out and he's a businessman, a deal maker. But he's sharp enough NOT to have taken a sip from the poisoned chalice)

Not the shitest poker player ever, showing our hand far too early, not even ATTEMPTING due diligence before setting out our stall.

Out of the current cabinet only Sajid Javid seems to have any relevant experience for negotiating in such tough conditions! The rest if they've not gone basically straight into politics out of uni have mostly had what can easily be described as nominal roles in areas like law (but not tough negotiating areas) and as economists!

Out of the shadow cabinet I'll admit I like keir starmer and think he could possibly have done a better job than May is doing. He's got experience of negotiating David and Goliath set ups from a David role.

I'd have more respect for her if she were honest regardless of how her colleagues might view her. She's damned anyway so she might as well do and say as she truly believes instead of the mess she's making by trying to please all of the people all of the time.

"She reminds me of a really diligent deputy head girl who will stand in when the head girl's sick, but really knows she's not up to the job." Excellent analogy.

Dignity means fuck all to the people who will die as a result of essential medication and food not being available! There's no dignity in starvation!

And as artio87 rightly points out she's no supporter of women!

"Like Churchill set up a war cabinet we need a brexit cabinet to focus on this and get us through.
I'm astonished it hasn't happened yet??
Why?" Agree - even if for no other reason than to ensue the tories don't get all the blame I'd have thought that a good idea!

There's calls now for another general election.

That's the last thing we need right now. It's ridiculous.

Get all brexit people together cross party. Get all opinions out there to get this through.

Anyone who wants to delay brexit needs to be excluded. Of course we can't negotiate when government is trying to stop it

I can’t stand the man but they should put Sajid Javid in charge. He’s the only one in the cabinet smart enough to salvage something from this wreck.

She seems unsupported, she's negotiating with the EU who don't want the UK to leave, she's in a hell of a position. If we have to leave the EU, then to leave with any kind of a deal is a win surely? I would have crumbled and be in hiding by now.

She’s not unsupported, she has whole teams of advisors. She’s pig headed and doesn’t listen to advice. Terrible attributes in a leader.

Those advisors persuaded her to go for the GE when her first instinct was not to

Our best hope is another general election and then hopefully another Brexit vote now everyone knows the reality and facts.

Yeah but she listened to them and made her position greatly weaker as a result. It was a catastrophic error of judgement.

what she's achieved in her career is admirable. But she is very obviously lacking in leadership skills and that's the main thing the country needs right now.

Another General election
won by Corbyn - pro Brexit
or Johnson - pro Brexit
great

Another General election
won by Corbyn - pro Brexit
or Johnson - pro Brexit
great

Exactly. A dreadful idea.
No-one wants to hold the hot potato basically.

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