Macron's behaviour is despicable

[Snowymountainsalways]

I am a moderate remainer, I say that because I do feel we should respect the vote. I am not a remainer who think a second ref will help. A second ref won't help regardless of the outcome, because the other side will simply demand another one, and another and so it would go on indefinitely and it is utterly futile and pointless.

I had come to the conclusion that a good deal would be the best outcome in the end. However I am just appalled at the behaviour and language coming out of the EU, and particularly Macron.

I am now even thinking what is the point? What is the point in continuing with any 'deal'? They are clearly not remotely interested.

May (for all her faults, and she has many) should gather her dignity and call it a day. We were there in good faith, the chequers plan is not perfect but it was a starting point. I had hoped it would work. It would have offered a solution of sorts.

I have cancelled our holiday next year to France. I don't want to go anywhere so openly hostile, despite the fact we have been holidaying there for my entire living life. I can't support Macron's comments that were both needlessly humiliating and rude to our prime minister.

Thoughts?

Here is what Macron said:

"Brexit has shown us one thing – and I fully respect British sovereignty in saying this – it has demonstrated that those who said you can easily do without Europe, that it will all go very well, that it is easy and there will be lots of money, are liars. This is all the more true because they left the next day, so they didn’t have to manage it.”

When you consider why the EU was originally set up, you might find your words prophetic. Don't forget how the French farmers would blockade and burn our live animal exports. We will be back to that and to the fishing wars in no time

My words are just prophetic, I am genuinely concerned this is precisely where we are headed.

I’m not surprised the EU members are losing patience. They were very clear about our options from the outset and the reasons for their protection of the single market and May opted to ignore them and bluster through in her usual tin eared manner.

She painted herself into a corner very early with her stupid red lines, submitted article 50 with no plan and then lied to us that one existed but we couldn’t be told about it as it would reveal our negotiating hand. So now there is nowhere for her to go.

The leave campaigners lied time and again about the ease of getting a deal, that we would be better off. Since then they’ve all back-pedalled but unfortunately we have a useless press who don’t challenge them on any of this.

I voted remain but would have accepted EEA membership and even to disentangle ourselves further over time. I don’t like many aspects of the EU and would have been happy eventually to leave, as long as minimal disruption to economy and prospects.

I don’t know what will happen but suspect there will be some sort of reversal of this process. Leavers could have left if they’d been patient. Rushing all this through to benefit the purses of Rees-Mogg and the like is going to be their downfall. The public are fed up to the back teeth of austerity and will ultimately not tolerate more of it due to this choice and fuck up.

I am just astounded by British arrogance, Brexit is nothing but a huge "fuck you, who needs you?" to the EU and they should be understanding and play nicely? this is utterly delusional! If I were the EU I'd be saying "you wanted out? out you go and have fun!"

I feel a bit sorry for May. 🤷‍♀️ (( and i'm no Tory supporter by any stretch ))

Cameron unleashed an absolute shit storm then fucked leaving her to clean up his mess ! The whole Brexit thing was a stupid idea fuelled by idiot Brits who couldnt see past closing our borders and keeping forriners out. It's bloody embarrasing.

If being a member of the EU is so bloody fantastic why any are they making it so hard for us to leave? Let us go, and we'll take the 'I told you so on the chin' if we have to but I don't think it will come to that.

Leading American economists have repeatedly said they can't see how we got entangled in the first place.

America sees the EU as a threat, as it's such a huge economic bloc. The US has always tried to winkle the UK away from the EU, and they're chortling now that it's happened. While putting on a long face and pretending to regret it.

The EU have a lot to lose by not having patience.

It is not a parental relationship, it should be one of equals, and this is not a process that has given me any confidence whatsoever in the ability for the EU or the UK to act with integrity and professionalism.

“Why she didn't say fuck it and walk out is beyond me, but she might still yet.“

How is flouncing out of meetings that are arranged for the benefit of Brexit (and therefore the UK) going to help?

Thanks Mookatron

Well, it’s a bit of hyperbole and obviously out of line to call people liars (especially when directed at another nation). Isn’t the evidence of whether the UK will be better off financially inconclusive because frankly no one really knows? Some sectors, as I understand it, will thrive, but others may suffer? We’ll have to wait and see!

Macron’s words seem to me to be intended to offend, and says more about his personality and attitude than anything else.

I don't think Macron put the boot in at all! I think Macron spoke the truth, that's not putting the boot in.

All the fuckers who told the bloody lies in the first place are the ones who put the boot in.

As for the EU treating Greece despicably - what? The EU has bailed Greece out to the tune of billions and has been doing so since 2010!!!!!

I am just astounded by British arrogance, Brexit is nothing but a huge "fuck you, who needs you?" to the EU and they should be understanding and play nicely? this is utterly delusional! If I were the EU I'd be saying "you wanted out? out you go and have fun!

That is a very childish view.

People need to understand how little power we have.

The countries of the EU need the UK as much as we need them. We import more from them than we export to them. Quite simply, "banning" trade would harm them more. We have massive power and need to use it to our advantage.

Macron’s words seem to me to be intended to offend, and says more about his personality and attitude than anything else

It is offensive. Especially those that have supported the EU as passionately as I have. I have spent years living in France and I am astounded Macron thought that this would help in any way.

KC225

If being a member of the EU is so bloody fantastic why any are they making it so hard for us to leave? Let us go, and we'll take the 'I told you so on the chin' if we have to but I don't think it will come to that.

They're not making it hard. They've never altered their terms. Britain wants to hold on to the benefits of being in the EU without being in the EU. It isn't going to happen. How difficult is that to understand?

I think it's childish to cancel your French holiday because you can't be arsed to read what someone said properly. But then you still haven't commented on his actual words, have you Snowymountainsalways?

It is not a parental relationship, it should be one of equals

It isn't one of equals.

Also I don’t really buy the idea that people voted for Brexit based on lies about economic success. Remember how Osborne campaigned fiercely against Brexit based on his concerns about dire economic consequences? Everyone seems to have forgotten that prominent tories were also against Brexit and their negative financial projections were also splashed across the media.

Macron is just being rude to provoke a reaction and should be ignored.

The EU is not 'doing' anything to the UK. It has been waiting patiently for over 2 years for the UK to sort out HOW it wants to leave.
The UK has buggered about and not even read the rules, what are the EU supposed to do?
The German version of the CBI TOLD German manufacturers over a year ago to assume that there will be a 'no deal' crash out by the UK and a handy checklist of plans they need to put in place, such as not sourcing parts from the UK. If the UK Gov manage to make a deal of some sort it will be regarded as a bonus to industry across Europe.
It is all very well waving the Union flag around being the British 'I AM' but you need a decent telescope to see it from Calais and at the rate things are progressing Europeans won't even bother looking in that direction.
The UK has brought all of this on itself, GET OVER IT.

How would Macron and the French people feel if TM stood up in a press conference and tried to interfere in their countries situation, They would tell her to keep her nose out of it.
I does smack of a group mob bullying, if it happened in school people would be appalled

Juells: They're not making it hard. They've never altered their terms. Britain wants to hold on to the benefits of being in the EU without being in the EU. It isn't going to happen. How difficult is that to understand?

In that case there is absolutely no point in carrying on is there. You are suggesting the same thing as any ultra brexiteer. If they are not prepared to make any concessions then there is no point at all to the UK being there. That is what you are saying.

{Macron is just being rude to provoke a reaction and should be ignored.}
Wrong, Mrs May is being rude by not having the decency to read the rules.

I am a remainer and have been horrified by the EUs stance - I think the EU member states should consider their treatment of the uk as this is setting a precedence for any future exit of any other state - and there are states that are not entirely happy with the EU as it is.

Agree. The eu are showing their true colours with bullying because a member state has decided to leave. It's vile behaviour and is done to try to make an example of the U.K. and to scare others from doing the same.

cushioncovers I am reluctantly now agreeing with you.

1tisILeClerc
That doesn’t make any sense...