Macron's behaviour is despicable

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I am a moderate remainer, I say that because I do feel we should respect the vote. I am not a remainer who think a second ref will help. A second ref won't help regardless of the outcome, because the other side will simply demand another one, and another and so it would go on indefinitely and it is utterly futile and pointless.

I had come to the conclusion that a good deal would be the best outcome in the end. However I am just appalled at the behaviour and language coming out of the EU, and particularly Macron.

I am now even thinking what is the point? What is the point in continuing with any 'deal'? They are clearly not remotely interested.

May (for all her faults, and she has many) should gather her dignity and call it a day. We were there in good faith, the chequers plan is not perfect but it was a starting point. I had hoped it would work. It would have offered a solution of sorts.

I have cancelled our holiday next year to France. I don't want to go anywhere so openly hostile, despite the fact we have been holidaying there for my entire living life. I can't support Macron's comments that were both needlessly humiliating and rude to our prime minister.

Thoughts?

Leave without a deal and play serious hardball.

If we leave without a deal we will no longer be in a position to 'play serious hardball' with anyone in the EU.

We'll be playing instead with China, the US, Russia and the WTO.

I don't know how much you fancy our chances.

We wouldn't have even been in this position if they have taken Cameron seriously at the time, they are making the same mistake again.

Equally though Maddening if you pay substantial sums to be part of a club that brings you significant trading benefits, you would be mightily unhappy if one of the members didn't pay and left but still benefited! Macron was simply telling it how it is. The Brexiteers lied about the sunny uplands. You cannot leave the club and not take an economic hit.

happy to lick the feet of white powerful men
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It is no co incidence that the countries which have voted so strongly against anti EU, extreme right wing parties, have parity of women and men in their national governments.

brokenharbour I have to assume you are not British. A hateful message is not helpful.

they are making the same mistake again

I don't think they're the ones making the mistakes

Macron called the Leave campaign as Liars.

There is a difference. As a 'moderate remainer' you must see that.

Bullying behaviour by a load of white privileged men. Revolting

The Tory party? Yes, absolutely agree.

Not sure what was inaccurate about Macron's comments though.

Brexiteers believed a vast, flabby slurry pile of lies and the country will suffer enormously for it.

Truth hurting, I think.

If we are so unimportant, if we are so without power, influence etc then there really is no point in us being there at all. If that is all true (by the way I disagree) then we should give up and build new alliances.

As far as I can see, that is exactly what will happen now anyway.

I personally would have preferred a good deal, a harmonious relationship with our neighbours. It is dead in the water now. Our relationship is in tatters whatever way you look at it. How can this be good for anyone?

Reading MN is like hearing only one side of the story. Of course, there were loads of unknowns and untruths claimed by BOTH SIDES because let's face it, we still don't know. We only know whether we want out or not
Woman 111017 All the claims were GUESSWORK and still are. You cannot call any of the claims lies, whether they turn out correct or not.
When we voted to join the Common Market, and I did, were we lied to or did the bureaucratic beast just evolve from nowhere? The longer this goes on the more convinced I am that we should be OUT

Leave without a deal and play serious hardball

Isn't the time for this kind of meaningless soundbite over yet?

What does it even mean?

She deserved to be slammed. She turned up with platitudes and no plan.

She lied to SOMEBODY - either Varadkhar or the EU - about being able to sort the NI border by October, because she told him that very morning it was impossible and then turned around and said to everyone else "Oh yeah, it'll be sorted next month".

May has done a phenomenal job in becoming PM. She is a career politician who wanted to be PM since her teens and that's not easy in this, or any other, country.

But the mere fact of her being a woman does not automatically mean that she is doing a good job now that she's in the hot seat, because she's not.

She's going to lose her job one way or another by March, surely, so why not go down in a blaze of glory and cancel Brexit. Say that her entire period as PM was spent exploring the best possible future relationship for Britain and the EU, to the detriment of any other responsibility that she should have had as PM, and her considered opinion is that it is impossible, and that Britain needs to step up and take its place at the table of power etc. etc. etc. and that with strong leadership etc.

Cancel it, and step down.

DarlingNikita Are you serious? The EU doesn't stand to lose anything by the UK leaving? We pay in about 13% of the total EU budget annually. That will will hit them enormously. What if the UK decided to kick out all the EU citizens who choose to make the UK their home? Practically everyone in the EU wants the UK to stay in the EU because they know that the future of the EU depends on places like the UK staying in the organisation.

Its not good for anyone, you're right, buy it's apparently what we voted for so here we are.

Here is what he said:

“Those who explain that we can easily live without Europe, that everything is going to be all right, and that it’s going to bring a lot of money home are liars. It’s even more true since they left the day after so as not to have to deal with it.”

What about that is not true. It is time to STOP lying, making things up, and putting words in people's mouths to suit an agenda. He said that the leave campaign lied. They did.

Establishment leavers want the economy to go down the pan so they have a countryful of powerless automata who will do whatever they are told. Suits those rich white men who can rebuild a country that serves their purpose. Do your own thinking. Don't accept lies without checking yourself.

Motheroffourdragons

You are spot on.

it will be catastrophic for the country and the EU.

And now that is the cold reality.

Precisely what was the ‘lie’ quote by Macron? Just checking it’s correct to say he was referring to Leave campaigners. Dod he say what the lie was?

The EU is treating us appallingly, I dont know why anyone would want to be in a club with the likes of Macron. Some people really are masochists.

The deal May took is the only deal available

May hasn't accepted any deal. That's the whole point. There is no deal that can be agreed on.

As for may being ganged up on. She has risen through the conservative party to be pm. I think she can handle a couple of (rightly) pissed off Europeans.

The conservatives have behaved appallingly incompetently and arrogantly since the referendum. Macron and the others have actually been really restrained. Political evaluations in our house on brexit would put you off holidaying within a 100 square mile zone in the south west.

Did you really cancel a holiday because macron called the leavers liars??!! Hmmmm....

Woman 111017 All the claims were GUESSWORK and still are. You cannot call any of the claims lies, whether they turn out correct or not

True. Referendum campaigns can be run on lies; it's a hole in our democratic legislation.

But that Leave ran an illegally funded campaign is fact.

We've decided of our own volition to leave the world's trading block. It is up to us, not the EU 27, to come up with "creative solutions". They are losing patience because all we have come up with is Chequers (something which they have said consistently won't work) and precisely no workable ideas re: NI border. It's like TM has had her fingers in her ears since July.

Broken harbour, we have some major problems as a country and you find it "gratifying" NICE!

I think other EU members despair of the situation and of our politicians. Possibly they have come to think the UK would always be a problem member not wholly committed to staying or leaving. Can't say I would blame them.
But Macron is an arse anyway. Can't fathom why he has got such a friendly press here.