Macron's behaviour is despicable

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I am a moderate remainer, I say that because I do feel we should respect the vote. I am not a remainer who think a second ref will help. A second ref won't help regardless of the outcome, because the other side will simply demand another one, and another and so it would go on indefinitely and it is utterly futile and pointless.

I had come to the conclusion that a good deal would be the best outcome in the end. However I am just appalled at the behaviour and language coming out of the EU, and particularly Macron.

I am now even thinking what is the point? What is the point in continuing with any 'deal'? They are clearly not remotely interested.

May (for all her faults, and she has many) should gather her dignity and call it a day. We were there in good faith, the chequers plan is not perfect but it was a starting point. I had hoped it would work. It would have offered a solution of sorts.

I have cancelled our holiday next year to France. I don't want to go anywhere so openly hostile, despite the fact we have been holidaying there for my entire living life. I can't support Macron's comments that were both needlessly humiliating and rude to our prime minister.

Thoughts?

All through history not All this history

Quietrebel You and me both. I agree with everything you say.

I also don't think you can expect the leaders of other countries to be more polite about May than British politicians (supposedly on her side) are prepared to be.

Johnny Foreigner has their own agenda these days beyond doing what Blighty wants

I just can't understand why leavers are so surprised by this? Did they really think the EU was going to roll over and given them everything they want?

Found it. Video on here. Not a shred of doubt. Subtitles a bit iffy here and there.
www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-talks-latest-eu-emmanuel-macron-brexiteer-liars-no-deal-a8547146.html

I'm also a big fan of Rutte, Tusk and Merkel

Anyone any further updates on the content of her statement?

Can I just say she is not my favourite PM she has shown incredible stamina and consideration for all parties, and if she does resign may I wish her the best, and thanks for trying. I am not a tory, and I will never will be but I can see that she is someone that give it her all.

and Barnier. Love him

Macron needs to find some self control for the next time around.

What is it about Macron that has got you into such a lather? That he spoke the truth or that he used somewhat undiplomatic language?

Macron's statement about the Brexit cheerleaders being liars has in no way undermined May's position. May dug that hole herself. Barnier said Chequers was unacceptable. Tusk said so too. Merkel has also dismissed it, as did the entire group of 27 leaders. And as it would never get through parliament anyway, it's dead.

Macron's comments could actually be seen as supporting May and encouraging her to confront the 'liars' and to face them down at the Conference. To use an old analogy : Promising unicorns and persuading the population to vote for unicorns will not magically make unicorns appear. The sooner May, or anyone else, spells this out to the UK population, and stops deflecting the blame for their non-appearance onto the EU/Ireland/Labour/Snowflakes/Crystal-ball gazers etc. the sooner the debate can move on.

gave it her all

Problem is that Brexiters want all the benefits of EU membership but none of the rules. This isn't available. And every rule or circumstance Brexiters decide to reject it moves them further away from what the EU offers. This slide shows at the top left where Brexiters want to be. The steps are various Brexiters rejections and the last step is our only options. But the Brexiers continue to reject this reality and it's now deemed, by the OP, that when this lie is pointed out it's somehow rude?!?

somewhat undiplomatic language

Yes funnily enough it was Macron's 'undiplomatic' language that did really strike a very negative cord. Of course he has totally undermined and embarrassed her. It was a disgrace. Entirely distasteful.

The EU are desperate to stop other nations following our lead. That's the reason why they are effectively shooting themselves in the foot by coming to the table with zero intention to negotiate.

I agree. I was so annoyed yesterday. No wonder May was steaming.

EU are a club of bullies.

He owes us nothing. He represents the French people and he is doing what he thinks is in their best interest. It's a negotiation and he can say whatever he thinks will be effective. There is nothing despicable about that.

So far it has been effective. The UK has made concession after concession and the EU has made none. There is only so far the can push May though. She is running out of room domestically and can't make many more concessions.

Entirely distasteful.

Indeed. Telling someone thruth can be hard for them to swallow.

But I also think it's cause he is French. Good old Blighty being told by a mere Frenchman that solid British cherry on top thinking isn't going to work? Good grief!

Macron is not putting the boot in to TM.

He is clearly and explicitly referring to those who campaigned for Leave on the basis of dishonest claims and then scuttled off after the vote.

There is nothing despicable or bullying about his words, though they are pretty blunt.
They are carefully chosen NOT to criticise May or British people.

I'm not a fan of the guy, but this particular statement is not despicable...

The UK has made concession after concession

Name one.

The EU aren't bullies. They are standing by their core principles. We're just annoyed that they didn't stick to the script and bend down for us.

May is standing on a glass cliff and she really scrambled to get there. Wasn't she initially opposed to Brexit? But as soon as she saw a possibility to grab power she changed her tune. She is in a position many women have been before her and will be after. She will not like the end result when they either quietly get rid of her if she succeeds and gets replaced or blows it spectularly and gets the blame for it, and possibly all women with her.

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The EU are desperate to stop other nations following our lead. That's the reason why they are effectively shooting themselves in the foot by coming to the table with zero intention to negotiate

If there is zero intention in your view, then where does that leave those of us that want to stay a part of the EU. They have effectively shut down any way forward.

They're bullies through and through to be fair. They would rather come out of this worse of for their own people than make a deal that is mutually beneficial. We have to be made an example of so that no one else tries to leave. It's completely essential and they think of it as a loss leader.

Let's have it right about May - like any politician, she is thinking about her party, which contains a large amount of brexit minded politicians who are backed in turn by brexit minded voters. She is concerned about offering too many concessions and seeing her support switch back to UKIP. Party first, country second.

There is a code of conduct, understanding and diplomacy among leaders and Macron breached it.

Brexiteers reduced to victim complex