to think our children will not forgive us if we don't sort Brexit out

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DFiL voted Leave. He's not thick and he had his reasons but, to be frank, he's 80 and not going to have to live with the consequences long term. Especially, if the NHS don't manage to stockpile his multiple medications in the event of a No Deal.

AIBU to think we all need to kick up an almighty stink to ensure that our Government makes a deal that will protect our children's futures - even if that means remaining. Jacob Rees Mogg and his ERG buddies predict it could be 50 years for the UK to see the benefits of leaving the EU. That's too late for my DD.

Austerity has damaged enough lives, we can't let Brexit do more harm. It's no good shrugging and saying "Leave won". If this isn't sorted out there will be no winners.

Wages will be higher here when we leave the EU. We can have a more protectionist jobs market. Race to the bottom in wages and conditions has been a consequence of the EU and huge corporate pressure but it’s not inevitable . The Eu loves driving down living standards for the working people of its countries as long as the elite are ok and Germany’s needs are served. Plenty of countries are high skill high wage countries or even ones where an honest days pay is still paid for someone qualified in a trade. We need to be like those kind of economies, not importing impoverished low skill labour working for peanuts and doing uk employees out of secure or jobs with fair pay. It’s not inevitable that we race to the bottom. Germany owns the EU. We need to go and own something else and make a go of it for ourselves out in the world .

They won't need cheap foreign labour when they rip up our employment rights and take away our safety nets. People will be begging for £1.50 a hour jobs picking berries.

Globalisation drives down wages. Globalised, neo liberal economics. And that ain't going nowhere after Brexit.

5yeaplan I'm not sure where you get that from.

And the phrase 'elite' is a usually a red flag. Roll on the generalisations.

Sarah48midlands do you really truly believe that? I am very interested to know how you came to that conclusion, what research you have done.

NameChanger22 - unfortunately people either seem to ignore the reality of a deregulated post brexit UK or accuse remain minded people of lying but regulations protecting workers and areas such as the environment and food stuffs would end up being compromised. If we have to go looking for a swift free trade deal with the US for example, who is in the driving seat? It won't be us. How is that regaining our sovereignty? I fear that we are going to end up being taken for a ride.

Oh god the fact-unchecked BS and generalisations about the Germans owning EUs ass are flowing fast and thick again ...

Always good to be reminded why UK is the object of international pity and ridicule as we hurl ourselves into the oblivion of xenophobia-driven economic suicide

Let's stop being the EU whipping toy!

What?

Our children will just have to understand that the world changes in different ways and they have to work to make the best of it. Just like my generation is paying for what the baby boomers did.

I did not vote Brexit, I will work really hard to help the younger generations get through the inevitable carnage they face and when they get to be pensioners, they can whine about the youth of today and vote for things that ignore them.

One thing which irritates me is the number of young people who were eligible to vote, who didn't turn out, and now are complaining they are in trouble because of Brexit. Hopefully this whole debacle will encourage them to be more involved next time.

We won, you lost, get over it, get on with it, brexit means brexit... ad nauseum

You won WHAT exactly? You ticked a fucking blank cheque box

Get on with WHAT precisely?
What was it you actually wanted the UK to 'get on with'?

Where were the details of what this actually MEANT to everyone? for decades to come.

You (the 'winners') signed a fucking blank check for the rest of us to cover for generations, and we should all just get on board with that?

By the time this is over and our country recovers from this my DS will have passed his peak earnings potential.

Northern Fucking Ireland. WTF is the answer there? there is NONE! If we go back to hostilities because of this bullshit, my god, there is no hell sufficiently painful enough for the twats that put us in this.

RedToothBrush Bravo. 100% on the money.
It says everything I feel was relevant, I'm sad that so many felt so disenfranchised that they did this to our country and to Europe

Sorry that nonsense. Loads of countries aren’t in the EU and have great employment rights and strong unions. Look at Australia as one example. Biggest trading partner used to be the UK until the UK joined the EU, fast forward 40 years and just 2% of its trade is with the UK - most is with Japan, China and South Korea. The EU accounts for about 3 percent of its trade (including the Uk in that percentage) . Australia is a high wage, trillion dollar, diverse economy, with good worker protection and very strong unions. It can happen. Not overnight and peoples are right to say it will be an adjustment and needs to be grasped but I think a lot of good will come of brexit in time. The world will not end when we leave the EU. People need to stop wetting their pants and realise there’s a big world out there beyond EU parochialism.

The Eu loves driving down living standards for the working people of its countries as long as the elite are ok and Germany’s needs are served. Plenty of countries are high skill high wage countries or even ones where an honest days pay is still paid for someone qualified in a trade. We need to be like those kind of economies, not importing impoverished low skill labour working for peanuts and doing uk employees out of secure or jobs with fair pay.

When did "the EU" become the CEO, MD, shareholder, director and owner of every business and company in the UK? The EU don't set wages here. Business owners, MDs, boards of directors, CEOs do. And I've no doubt many of them can't wait for the day that EU employment laws no longer hold sway in the UK and they can cut wages and employee rights even further.

Loads of countries aren’t in the EU and have great employment rights and strong unions.

It was the British government that curtailed the unions, not the EU. Do you think the current government are big fans of union rights?

Loads of countries aren’t in the EU and have great employment rights and strong unions.

We’re not going to though, are we?

Civil unrest?????

I'm not killing someone just because I didn't agree with what they voted for!

The unrest will happen when:

• you go to Tesco's and discover the shelves are empty (and won't be re-stocked for 3 days) Asda is likewise empty and Morrison's didn't even open today;

• you go to the petrol station and find that your ration of 10 litres won't get you to work and back next week;

• you go to the chemist and they're limiting drugs to one week's supply at a time - and yes, you've queued for an hour, but no, they don't have your tablets today;

• you realise that you're actually wasting hours each week queuing for food, petrol, medicines and cash as you're limited each time;

• Hunt tells everyone that it's all the fault of the EU, so numpties attack and loot the foreign-owned grocery shops and restaurants;

• your partner comes home and tells you the factory has closed and the family income is going down from £750 a week to £75 a week

• your boss calls to tell you that because the big factory has closed, your workplace is closing too;

• your mum's cancer operation is delayed indefinitely as half of the EU staff have gone back, there is nobody available to operate - and anyway, the isotopes from Holland haven't arrived (again);

• your granddad's care home is closing - 90% of the staff were from the EU and they've gone home too. You (and thousands of other families) now have to urgently organise alternative care;

• social media, mobile phone networks and the internet are shut down to prevent them being used to organise demonstrations. TV is limited to BBC One only, is strictly controlled and closes when the general curfew comes into operation at 10pm each night;

• Prime Minister Rees-Mogg (or his stooge Johnson) comes on the telly to tell you that things will all be fine in about 50 years time, it's all Corbyn's fault and we're all in this together (and it finally dawns on people that they've been conned);

What a load of codswallop.

Great post Havana

NameChanger22
I can understand why farmers would want to leave

And I can't. For they benefit from Easter Europe emptying itself into their fields to work on shit wages, these British farmers pay. it's not the Polish who say' What, you are gong to pay me that much?? No way, I'll work for one third of it, don't be stupid"

I'd love the Leavers to pay more for veg and meat, and be charged more in restaurants by the EU nationals who work as waiters, but, sadly, it doesn't work like this. Some dumbarses screwed all of us. As always.

Our children will vote to rejoin the EU if brexit doesn't work out.

Another good one will be the Leavers being put on a special - longer - NHS list, because they voted all these EU nurses and doctors out, and they are already leaving in droves. But no, they have just put all of us on a long list.

I can't believe some people are still dumb enough to think Brexit is going to be a success and lead to more and better paid jobs and a land of milk and honey for us all.

I mean, Christ on a bike, what exactly is it about the mess situation we are currently in that makes you think this is going well?

5yearplan4000 good luck with waiting for improved employment rights post brexit. Regulations will have to be compromised in order to obtain fast free trade deals.

there’s a big world out there

True, but it's a long way away. The world's largest and most prosperous common market, the market into which British industry sells 40% of goods and 80% of services, and on which millions of UK workers rely for their jobs, is much closer

Another good one will be the Leavers being put on a special - longer - NHS list, because they voted all these EU nurses and doctors out, and they are already leaving in droves. But no, they have just put all of us on a long list.

But brexitteers still think only the MC will be affected by Brexit and its going to be great for the WC. So that's cool.

I just can't understand what or how we're going to be trading with Australia and China that's going to be so superior to our trading relationship with the EU. Can anyone explain what we're going to be selling them and how its going to be far better/cheaper/faster to trading with our closest neighbours and also what it means for our biggest industry - financial services?

If you're just an ordinary person, who doesn't give a fuck about any of the above, and who just wants less immigration, less wage suppression, less competition for jobs, less pressure on the housing market, less pressure on health services, primary schools and infrastructure, then Brexit will not be a disaster

Being an ordinary person is no excuse to have no brain, and not to see that it's the British-owned businesses which pay shit wages attractive only to those from poorer countries. Ordinary person is capable of thinking "Do I want to work on a farm? No, thank you" and be grateful to those who would, and be grateful he/she can afford lettuce for 60p, instead of £2.50, thanks to cheap labour.
Only idiots can think immigration is a curse while benefitting daily, every minute, from it - by being able to afford petrol, food, be looked after on NHS. But idiots read Sun and Daily Heil, and don't mind funding the royal weddings.