to think our children will not forgive us if we don't sort Brexit out

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DFiL voted Leave. He's not thick and he had his reasons but, to be frank, he's 80 and not going to have to live with the consequences long term. Especially, if the NHS don't manage to stockpile his multiple medications in the event of a No Deal.

AIBU to think we all need to kick up an almighty stink to ensure that our Government makes a deal that will protect our children's futures - even if that means remaining. Jacob Rees Mogg and his ERG buddies predict it could be 50 years for the UK to see the benefits of leaving the EU. That's too late for my DD.

Austerity has damaged enough lives, we can't let Brexit do more harm. It's no good shrugging and saying "Leave won". If this isn't sorted out there will be no winners.

Agreed notsuch, my current mortgage payments are tiny compared to rents! And they don't seem to believe that couples can be truly frugal and afford repayments.

Even the arch-Brexiteers have no idea what they want

They want us to leave with No Deal. They genuinely don't care.

There are Mumsnetters who have genuine reason to be terrified that medication needed to keep their family members alive won't be available if we crash out at the end of March. That's not Project Fear - it's a real possibility. We need to let our MPs, the Labour Party, the media know that we won't stand for this.

My MP is a remainer in one of the strongest Tory seats in the country. It voted Leave but I'm not letting him off the hook - it's his duty to do the best for his country - to put it before his Party or constituency.

Do you rent, DollyWilde?

It is unbelievably tedious and repetitive and the remainers simply won’t accept they lost. We need politicians to steer us into the future as best they can but the frankly I think the UK would actually be better off on WTO terms and just get on with it and regain its self confidence in the world. I’d vote leave on those terms (having not voted in the original referendum). There’s so much hyperbole around leaving the EU. Most countries manage fine not being a member and the future of the world economy is in the East not declining old Europe, charming though it is its hardly a dynamic economy is it. It’s run by Germany and France in cahoots with unelected officials. Everyone else can go hang. We are best off out. And away from that EU flag which wants to overcome our own.

European Medicines Agency is relocating as is many banking jobs( banking is a huge percentage of our job market), then there are the science jobs we’re losing and the jobs we can no longer apply for in Europe..... it’s terrifying.

And yes those with mortgages whose mortgage runs out will be in the shit when prices drop as they’ll be In neg equity. Banks will be more cautious on top so you'll be stuck with the hiked up rates of your current mortgages if you’re lucky.

And still we do nothing.

Yet another tedious brexit thread, we’re leaving, there was a vote we voted leave so we’re leaving get over it!

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So many people care about this issue that 23%didnt even bother to vote in the first place.

NotSuchASmugMarriedNow1 Due to a family bereavement I bought my first flat the week after the Brexit vote, which is now worth less than when I paid for it as a direct result, so that was a bit of a disaster. Prior to that I rented in London for over 10 years, living in 8 different flats. What's the relevance?

I'm not convinced there are many scenarios where lower house prices and higher wages would happen together. Wage rises would tend to increase house prices.

Being Irish, i never understand the enthusiasm for lower house prices. It sounds great, but it's very hard to achieve slowly. In Ireland it meant a property price crash. A whole generation in their mid twenties and thirties stuck in negative equity, and the generation coming behind them unable to buy as nothing was coming on the market and banks were reluctant to lend.

When things did start to pick up, there was,say, five years worth of buyers looking all at once, quite suddenly. Prices shot up again, creating another bubble.

Forgiving old people NameChanger22?

Well here's one old person who doesn't need your forgiveness or not as you choose, while this country goes to hell in a handcart.

I voted to remain and I know several older people who did the same, one of whom is in his 90s.

Equally I know several people in their 30s and 40s who voted leave.

Yes I know that more old people voted to leave but you might actually make an effort to find out what people actually voted for before you start making sweeping statement about people based on nothing more than their age.

I'm of the opinion that people who voted to leave are as thick and ignorant as pig shit and Ive yet to see anything to change my mind. This thread just reinforces that. Boy are they going to have a shock when then they get a visa to go to Benidorm....

But don't expect the Baby Boomers to care one jot that they've fucked over their children's and grand children's futures, because they Generally don't give a shit about anyone other than themselves and never have done.

How will there be higher paid jobs as a result of leaving?

Fruitofautumn- you sound clever

Why, thank you!

Yes, Brexit is a shit one. But children "will not forgive" all sorts of other things. Like parents making their career in management by making working conditions worse. This has happened already with final salary pensions gone.

I'd add that if we don't sort the tax avoidance by large corporations, and the treasury is depleted so no money for healthcare, education and housing, then the kids will be fucking livid. Even if we work till our 70s and drop at the work pc.

Thank you for starting this thread OP.

And thank you for contacting your MP.

Any one who is thinking maybe I should contact my MP or go march on the 20th of October please do. Im a carer my MP ignores me and I can't march because surprise, surprise I'm busy CARING.

Thread i started yesterday in chat about meds, disability/illness, carers and brexit.
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/_chat/3370225-I-know-Im-annoying-but

I can see how wages might get considerably lower in some areas. Especially when non-EU migrant workers will be allowed in to do the unskilled jobs.

Some absolutely ridiculous scaremongering going on as well , start stockpiling food and other nonsense . And the Eu encouraging another vote. Quelle surprise.

Always find it amazing that all these remainers think everyone really loves the EU and want to passionately wave the blue flag. What a bunch of idiots - usually there’s under 30% turnout in EU elections and I doubt most could name their MEP. It’s not a vibrant democracy and no one cares to vote. Remote from people’s lives . In reality it’s just a moneypit and gravy train for failed politicians from all over Europe, big businesses wanting corporate welfare and largesse in contracts, and corrupt officials. The EU is about as interested in you and me for what they can drain from us. They just care about themselves and reaching into your pocket ever more.

Not one can see far into the future. I love my late Mum. Smoking killed her. In my darkest moments I blame her and me for not stopping it earlier. Horrible to say it but life goes on,
In my prepper view, the best we can do for our kids is make sure they have food and warmth- prep for it if you have to. And keep encouraging them to see a wider world.

Also don’t know why people are always banging on about mortgages. Most people don’t have a mortgage they either rent or own outright. Only about a third of people owe money to the bank on their house. House prices are irrelevant to most people.

We've now got to fight either to remain or to ensure that we get a deal that won't harm our country for generations to come.

It is no longer about leave v remain.

Its about coming up with a plan that solves the problems this country faces and delivers on the expectations and demands of leavers.

By that I mean, when leavers stated 'there are no jobs because of all the immigrants coming over here', remainers focused on the immigration part and didn't hear the part saying 'there are no jobs or opportunities for people like me'.

And thats kind of important.

Theresa May also focused on the immigrants bit cos that fitted with her world view.

But again, she's kind of neglected the 'there are no jobs for people like me' part

And thats kind of important.

And the Brexit we are going to get looks a lot like it doesn't talk about or address increasing mechanisation of jobs that would be 'for people like me'.

Nor does it talk about or address the lack of training and education opportunities 'for people like me'.

Nor does it address class issues where the middle classes have a habit of recruiting individuals who are lot like them, and they don't recruit individual 'for people like me'.

Nor does it tackle how austerity created additional problems and pressures 'for people like me' and how they shouldered the burden whilst everyone else didn't really notice austerity too much.

Nor does it talk about how 'people like me' are supposed to get to jobs when public transport is so shocking and the jobs are located in places they don't live.

I could go on.

But there is a cruical point here; neither does remaining talk about a lot of these issues. It just frames Brexit in terms which does not focus on the 'people like me thing' and it doesn't come up with a plan of how to tackle these problems.

We've been so busy with this Them and Us stuff, we've not talked about an actual vision for the country beyond crappy slogans and rather empty and vague comments. Our political dialogue has become so tribal we are unable to be self critical and call out bullshit happening in our own tents.

We've spent two years, jerking off pretending we can just ignore all these problems. Thats just another two years in addition to a couple of decades of kicking the can down the road because of populism politics.

But the time IS coming when we are going to have to make some really fucking hard and difficult decisions for the benefit of the entire country. And no one fucking politician is up to that job right now from what I can see. Or media are just playing along with the bullshit with a domination of opinion columnists over investigative journalists who drill down into the roots and nature of problems.

Our failure to see the wood for the trees is going to harm us for a generation REGARDLESS of what happens now. It is merely a damage limitation exercise process at this point, and the outcome will depend entirely on when we get our fucking shit together.

We've got a long way to go on that one, and I fear that it won't start until some time after Brexit when we've long since pissed our grandkids future away defending our fucking pride over which way we bloody voted on 23rd June 2016.

We need to start having proper conversations about society and community and problems and how we go about solving them without all the other utter bullshit.

I'm tired of it.

But yes, we need to have this conversation, and stop complaining about why Brexit is taking so long, and 'how we should just get on with it', go and shove it in the Brexit topic so I don't have to see it and engage with it cos I'd rather bury my head in the sand and pretend it doesn't exist.

Cos its NEVER going to bloody end because Brexit is a sympton of some catatophically bad political decisions and priorities over the last 25 years - virtually all of which originate in Westminister and in your local town hall and have fuck all to do with the EU.

Until we start seeing the whole thing in this way, we will have ever increasing problems. It is not going to go away if Brexit goes away or because we achieve Brexit.

And sadly this is the mentality that virtually everyone seems to be stuck in.

It is unbelievably tedious and repetitive and the remainers simply won’t accept they lost.

This is not a football game or a pub quiz. If the UK crash out of the EU without a clear plan, a sustainable deal and some tangible benefits arising from the post-Brexit situation, then everyone - beyond a minority of those insulated by significant wealth - 'loses'.

@NameChanger22 ironically your comments make you sound bitter,ignorant and nasty. I voted to leave, I’m in my 30’s and I’m not in the slightest bit racist.

@NameChanger22 oh yeah I’m right wing too ;)