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Arguing with friend over her DS

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Courtney555 · 19/09/2018 21:32

I've just had a real row with a good friend of mine who has a DS the same age as mine (10). Whilst we are good friends, we don't physically see each other very often due to her moving quite a distance away, but speak most days on the phone. We've bickered plenty of times, but never rowed like this.

We've since apologised as we said things in the heat of the moment, but I can tell it's definitely not cleared the air.

She and DS came round for dinner. Her child is more than overweight. He's not dangerously obese, but he's really big.

She's always said he's a fussy eater, so us three had beef wellington, new potatoes, and veg. I also did chips for just him, as she'd said its the only form of potatoes he eats. I wouldn't usually do this, but she'd made quite a big deal about it yesterday, so I assured her that I'd have some ready, in a "it's just accommodating a food request" sort of way, like I would for someone with an intolerance or allergy.

Today, he left the meat and veg untouched. Virtually inhaled the chips and asked for more chips because he was hungry. I said sorry, there are no more, but there's beef, potatoes and veg. He replied "No, I don't like it." And then complained to his mum that he was still hungry. She told him not to be rude, but then followed up with, I'll get you something at home.

They went out to play, we were watching them from the window, she turns to me and says, "What do I do? He's so fat."

I asked her what he ate, and she said only burgers, chips, nuggets, beans and spaghetti hoops. Essentially freezer food. Refused all vegetables. Refused all fruit.

I said, unless he has a medical issue with certain food types, she needed to toughen up and give him a healthy diet. Children might genuinely hate a couple of vegetables, but to refuse all of them was omitting so many vital nutrients.

She then got uber defensive and said if was that easy, that's what she would do.

I replied, yes, he might protest for the first couple of nights, but he'd soon get used to the idea that he can't tantrum his way to burgers every night. If he can eat fried chipped potatoes then he can eat them boiled. If he can eat ground up beef as burgers, he can eat the beef in a wellington.

I then suggested, she should retract her offer to make him junk food later, and to tell him his only meal for this evening was the dinner on the table that he'd left, I'd happily reheat it for him, and if he refused, to stick to her guns when they got home.

She basically snorted at me, as if it was patronising and ridiculous to even try, so I said, "OK, but then don't call him fat, don't ask what to do about him being fat, you're the adult in charge of his food, you're making him fat!!!"

"No. I'm. not." Was the aggressive reply.

We then argued along those two sentiments for about five minutes, then she left with her DS.

What do I do. Should I be apologising further? Should she?

We're so close, so we do push others buttons, and speak very frankly with each other, which usually is great, but this is not good.

We're going to have to talk it out and address it. It can't just hang in the air unspoken. I don't know where to start. I thought I offered a fairly standard solution, but her reaction said otherwise. Was it a silly solution? What else do you suggest?

Sorry its so long. Trying not to drip feed.

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hiddeneverything · 19/09/2018 21:35

Tough one. She asked your advice; you gave it; she didn't like it. I think you gave good advice but maybe the following comments about it being her fault were maybe a bit harsh and she probably knows this deep down which is why she reacted like that x

Courtney555 · 19/09/2018 21:39

I think I got a bit snippy because she seemed to ask quite sincerely what I would do, then immediately dismissed everything I put forward, so I definitely had a snotty tone by the end of it. Which I'm quite embarrassed about. It went both ways though, she was definitely snotty too.

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LyndorCake · 19/09/2018 21:40

Well of course she is defensive! She never intended for him to be u healthy. She has struggled to get him to eat the right kinds of food and given into his requests. She is probably hating herself right now. Yes you were honest and probably should have just left it when she started to protest.

Wineandpyjamas · 19/09/2018 21:43

It sounds like she knows she’s going wrong with his diet and has got defensive about it. I’d suggest leaving it a bit for her to cool off. It is a really tricky one though, my friends child is overweight and eats all sorts of rubbish. I’ve never found it my place to say anything but I do worry.

Has she ever considered a finger food buffet type deal? My DD can be picky and I sometimes just give her a plate of healthy finger foods and then she can pick what she wants to eat and I know it’ll be good for her.

Thatstheendofmytether · 19/09/2018 21:44

Agree with hiddeneverything. She did ask and she fled him fat herself and asked what she could do. She obviously didn't want to hear it though. She probably has tried pretty hard but it's not doing him any favours giving in to him.

ShawshanksRedemption · 19/09/2018 21:45

I would say she knows what the issue is, she just can't face the argument with her DS over it. There may be a reason like she is too emotionally tired so does it for a quiet life (is there lots going on at home?) or she may feel such guilt fi she doesn't give him what he wants and that she must keep him happy (is dad on the scene?).

Courtney555 · 19/09/2018 21:46

I just see that she has two options. Keep giving in to a ten year old who has managed to create an existence in which his parents have apparently no choice but to feed him junk food, and watch him get larger and larger.

Or, if she recognises a problem in his size, and genuinely wants to help him be a healthier boy, then she, as the adult needs to show some willpower, take control, and not give in every single meal time.

Have I got that so far wrong? Genuine question.

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dinosaurkisses · 19/09/2018 21:47

Well she asked you a straight question and you gave a straight answer.

If she wasn’t prepared for honesty from a good friend then she shouldn’t have asked such a loaded question in the first place.

She’s in a huff now because she knows you’re right.

Lookatyourwatchnow · 19/09/2018 21:48

Can't stand this sort of parenting. You were spot on, OP, but she's not going to acknowledge that because it's easier for her to continue to pander to her DS and pretending that it's impossible for her to get him to eat properly. This situation is entirely her fault and it's not fair that her DS is going to grow up with a lifetime of health issues, but you have done what you can.

Thatstheendofmytether · 19/09/2018 21:49

I have a friend who is over Weight and she is doing the same to her DS who is very young. Is we go for lunch with the kids she will give him a packet of crisps to keep him going until his chicken nuggets and chips, and then he's told if he doesn't finish the chicken nuggets and chips there will be no cake. She does this in front of our children. It's really hard because they obviously all want crisps too, although most of the time they don't make a fuss. It's worrying that people think this is the way to feed children.

Wineandpyjamas · 19/09/2018 21:49

No you’re not wrong. Parenting is tough and it’s not a popularity contest. She needs to ensure he’s having healthy food otherwise she is failing him, not being able to face an argument is not an excuse.

Does she have other support at home? Would a partner be on board if they did overhaul his diet?

MrsMozart · 19/09/2018 21:49

One of my friend's only ate Smash, cheddar cheese, and I think it was plain crisps. Was like that for a couple of years and there was no way on this earth anyone was making her eat anything else. Her mum just kept giving her options and she eventually started to try and to like other things.

I think your friend will have to cut his portion sizes and up his exercise.

With regards to the argument. You sound like a good friend. Hopefully she'll realise you're not being an arse and she'll realise she was being overly defensive. Talk it out and move on.

Failingat40 · 19/09/2018 21:49

It sounds like you gave her the reality check she is needing but she's obviously not ready to accept.

Her kid is fat.
He is dictating what he eats.
She is allowing this.
He's not getting a healthy balanced diet.
She is facilitating an unhealthy diet.
She is responsible.
End of.

Well done for being frank with her. She was rude to undermine you by telling him he would get junk food at home after wasting the beef wellington dinner you prepared.

Let her stew for a few days, might do her good.

NorthernRunner · 19/09/2018 21:50

She asked, probably knew what you were going to say because she is also thinking it, but was embarrassed to hear it out loud from someone and as a result became defensive. Perhaps you took it too far with your “you’re making him fat” comment, although I don’t disagree with you.
It’s her son, she loves him dearly and is clearly worried. I think it best not for you to comment any further, even if she does ask again.
Give her some time, you may find she comes round.

dinosaurkisses · 19/09/2018 21:50

I’d be most pissed off about wasting a perfectly good beef Wellington tbh.

They aren’t cheap like.

Courtney555 · 19/09/2018 21:54

Dad is not on the scene. You have made me wonder though, is something else going on at home?

Going over it in my mind, she did seem very quick to anger and irrational, which is not typical of her. Especially when it was after directly asking for my thoughts on the matter.

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ZanyMobster · 19/09/2018 21:55

It is really hard as it's such a sensitive subject.

My DS2 (10) is overweight, he eats much less than DS1 but he is just one of those kids who is chubby, DH was the same as was my brother bizarrely then as teens they both shot up and were bean poles.

It is so hard as actually my DS2 eats quite well, eats fruit and veg etc. He exercises in excess of 10 hours a week. He has recently started an additional sport which involves full on fitness training. He is probably eating more now but the weight is dropping off. I'm so pleased for him as short of starving him there wasn't much we could do as he really wasn't overeating.

Obviously this is a slightly different situation but equally upsetting, you of course blame yourself and potentially another child could eat the same and be skinny as a rake.

I don't think you were wrong but maybe you could just be honest and say you were just answering her questions and trying to help and you are really sorry that you offended her. Also never mention it again.

Courtney555 · 19/09/2018 22:01

Its the "you're making him fat" that's really playing on my mind. I really should not have said that, that's really quite a cheap shot isn't it.

Should I wait for her to contact me, but perhaps start with acknowledging that it was not a helpful thing to say.

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NorthernRunner · 19/09/2018 22:05

You have already said sorry, I would give her a couple of days.
Don’t forget you probably aren’t the only one to have said something similar to her. It will just be a very sensitive subject x

PegLegAntoine · 19/09/2018 22:06

You could reasonably say “I’m sorry I said you’re making him fat”. Without apologising for the rest of it. I don’t blame you for saying any of it. It’s not like you brought it up, she asked you.

BMW6 · 19/09/2018 22:08

Well she IS making him fat by feeding him crap!

I'd let the dust settle for a while OP and don't bring up the subject. I am sure she knows she is failing him which is why she is so defensive.

Lookatyourwatchnow · 19/09/2018 22:09

Yeah. She IS making him fat, so don't apologise for saying it.

woolduvet · 19/09/2018 22:11

"I'm sorry I upset you"
Light but not saying you're wrong.

Aprilshowersnowastorm · 19/09/2018 22:12

She is effectively being a Disney dm to compensate for absent df.
Nothing you can say /do. Leave her to it.

ScurrilousSquirrel · 19/09/2018 22:15

Lots of kids have issues with food and by enforcing rules, they end up hungry and distressed and food turns into an emotional battle rather than a way to fuel their bodies. You are no more expert a parent than she is (because there's no such thing as an expert parent) but it sounds like you were pretty forceful. You know right well she feels guilty about his diet, and you fat-shaming her kid helps literally no-one.

My niece lived with us for a while when she was 16. Ate nothing but highly processed carb-based shit. I tried all sorts of things to get her to eat because I was convinced she would get scurvy or rickets or something. I eventually relaxed and went with it. She now eats everything and is healthy and active. I think she needed to develop her own palate at her own pace. But even if she hadn't, so what?