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Arguing with friend over her DS

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Courtney555 · 19/09/2018 21:32

I've just had a real row with a good friend of mine who has a DS the same age as mine (10). Whilst we are good friends, we don't physically see each other very often due to her moving quite a distance away, but speak most days on the phone. We've bickered plenty of times, but never rowed like this.

We've since apologised as we said things in the heat of the moment, but I can tell it's definitely not cleared the air.

She and DS came round for dinner. Her child is more than overweight. He's not dangerously obese, but he's really big.

She's always said he's a fussy eater, so us three had beef wellington, new potatoes, and veg. I also did chips for just him, as she'd said its the only form of potatoes he eats. I wouldn't usually do this, but she'd made quite a big deal about it yesterday, so I assured her that I'd have some ready, in a "it's just accommodating a food request" sort of way, like I would for someone with an intolerance or allergy.

Today, he left the meat and veg untouched. Virtually inhaled the chips and asked for more chips because he was hungry. I said sorry, there are no more, but there's beef, potatoes and veg. He replied "No, I don't like it." And then complained to his mum that he was still hungry. She told him not to be rude, but then followed up with, I'll get you something at home.

They went out to play, we were watching them from the window, she turns to me and says, "What do I do? He's so fat."

I asked her what he ate, and she said only burgers, chips, nuggets, beans and spaghetti hoops. Essentially freezer food. Refused all vegetables. Refused all fruit.

I said, unless he has a medical issue with certain food types, she needed to toughen up and give him a healthy diet. Children might genuinely hate a couple of vegetables, but to refuse all of them was omitting so many vital nutrients.

She then got uber defensive and said if was that easy, that's what she would do.

I replied, yes, he might protest for the first couple of nights, but he'd soon get used to the idea that he can't tantrum his way to burgers every night. If he can eat fried chipped potatoes then he can eat them boiled. If he can eat ground up beef as burgers, he can eat the beef in a wellington.

I then suggested, she should retract her offer to make him junk food later, and to tell him his only meal for this evening was the dinner on the table that he'd left, I'd happily reheat it for him, and if he refused, to stick to her guns when they got home.

She basically snorted at me, as if it was patronising and ridiculous to even try, so I said, "OK, but then don't call him fat, don't ask what to do about him being fat, you're the adult in charge of his food, you're making him fat!!!"

"No. I'm. not." Was the aggressive reply.

We then argued along those two sentiments for about five minutes, then she left with her DS.

What do I do. Should I be apologising further? Should she?

We're so close, so we do push others buttons, and speak very frankly with each other, which usually is great, but this is not good.

We're going to have to talk it out and address it. It can't just hang in the air unspoken. I don't know where to start. I thought I offered a fairly standard solution, but her reaction said otherwise. Was it a silly solution? What else do you suggest?

Sorry its so long. Trying not to drip feed.

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BewareOfDragons · 19/09/2018 22:19

You were right, OP. She is responsible for him being fat. And he won't thank her when he's older and realises how bloody hard it's going to be to lose the weight IF he even can at that point.

She wants an easy life over food, but she doesn't want to be blamed for the consequences of her 'easy life' ... but life doesn't work like that. He's a child. She's the parent. She needs to actually step up and act like one.

Ruffian · 19/09/2018 22:20

Although you were in the right your solutions for dealing with the problem were very patronising and unhelpful. The boy is 10, not a toddler who can be told there's no food expect the dinner that was left.

He's old enough to spend his pocket money on junk food which is quite likely what would happen. His eating habits have built up over many years presumably and need a far more considered approach to help him change.

Ruffian · 19/09/2018 22:23

*except

Lookatyourwatchnow · 19/09/2018 22:24

@ScurrilousSquirrel

Oh do behave. 'Fat shaming'?! Because OP said no to more child but offered meat and vegetables?! Jesus Christ. No wonder children are becoming more overweight with these precious snowflake attitudes!

Lookatyourwatchnow · 19/09/2018 22:24

*chips not child

Jackyjill6 · 19/09/2018 22:25

I agree with ScurrilousSquirrel 's post.

If I was your friend I would feel judged. Nobody plans to give their kid a shit diet.

Courtney555 · 19/09/2018 22:25

I think she needed to develop her own palate at her own pace. But even if she hadn't, so what?

It's great if you had a similar scenario that turned out to be temporary. But... "So what?" Don't you see the potential consequences of maintaining his existing diet?

Bullying because of his weight. Excess sweating and stress on his developing bones. The threat of diabetes. Not being able to keep up with his peers. The hassle of continually preparing two separate meals unless she's going to eat junk for every meal as well. Deficiencies from long term absence of essential vitamins. Higher blood pressure. The list goes on...

It's just not fair on him. She controls the food going on his plate, he's 10.

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Sparklesocks · 19/09/2018 22:25

It sounds like this is quite a sensitive spot for her so she got defensive because she is feeling a bit embarrassed about it. I would maybe let it cool down and then send her a simple message saying you’re sorry again you argued. You’d be happy to maybe talk about ways to help with his diet if that was helpful, but also happy to leave it alone if that’s what she would prefer.

Happygolucky009 · 19/09/2018 22:26

I have a son like your friends, he is starting to get chubby and we are mindful of the choices offered around food.

We have tried finger foods, putting a selection of healthy choices, 3 mouthfuls/ 1 mouthful of veg. Refusing alternative options, refusing to give permission to leave the table, offering the same meal repeatedly. Offering 1 mouthful after a mouthful of a favorite food. All has had little success.

What we have had is child tantrums at every meal, vomiting and days with no food.

Its not easy and the message :you delivered, whilst technically correct lacked sympathy and was judgemental.

AjasLipstick · 19/09/2018 22:29

It's a very emotional area OP. Because people's deepest fuck-ups live there.

I would have advised her to see her doctor about it to be honest. No friend can really advise about this....a specialist can though.

AjasLipstick · 19/09/2018 22:30

happyGoLucky that sounds terrible for you all. Have you gone to the doctor about it?

Courtney555 · 19/09/2018 22:30

@happygolucky009

She could well be going through a similar situation to yours.

What would you suggest given your personal experience in this area?

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Pickleypickles · 19/09/2018 22:34

Whilst I'm not condoning living on burgers and chips that alone is not making him fat. I actually think by denying him the only thing he will eat will create more problems around food. She needs to cut portion sizes and increase exercise, yes encourage him to try other foods to widen his range of food but that should be seen as more of a fun activity with praise when he does and no hang ups when he didn't.

I was a really fussy eater as a kid pretty much only are beige, would eat bananas potatoes and carrots but no other fruit or veg and it wasn't from lack of trying from my mum I got what I was served and was never pandered to if I didn't eat it was my luck out, I remember going to bed hungry many times and that's horrible. She took me to the GO who said while I'm healthy and thriving it's not an issue so just have a multi vitamin everyday if she was worried. I also was never and have never been even remotely overweight so I don't think poor diet alone is the issue.

ScurrilousSquirrel · 19/09/2018 22:34

Courtney, will you click on the link in my earlier post?

We get so bogged down in the "fat is unhealthy" we forget that people are not problems to be solved, they are humans with feelings. And unless you're going to dripfeed a PhD in the epidemiology of obesity, you need to educate yourself.

Purplepinkpurple · 19/09/2018 22:35

You were right in what you said. Your friend already knew the answer.

She maybe doesnt know HOW to do it, to make the transition.

Maybe another suggestion could be to always have a piece of veg. Don't make a big deal over having to eat it, but maybe over time he might decide to eat it.

Another way would be to suggest doing a google to see whay recipes there is to make food healthier, get some hidden veg in.

Get him involved in cooking may also help. I know thats recommended for younger children

I think the thing with food is not to make it a battlefield. Everything in moderation. I was such a fussy eater growing up. I was always told how my sister was a far better eater and ate more than me. I was always 'had' to eat everything on the plate. I just fought against it. I would feel ashamed for not being as good an eater as my sister then would use food to comfort eat. I know theres nothing like that suggested here, but it may not just be a quick fix either.

FunSponges · 19/09/2018 22:40

You were right OP: she is making him fat. Clearly the truth hurts but she asked you. I wouldn't apologise any more. Constantly feeding him shite, and too much of it by the sounds of it, will make him fat, she needs to get a grip on it before he is older and she can't control it anymore.

Ruffian · 19/09/2018 22:41

I'm sure you're friend is well aware of the many problems associated with obesity - as I said, you are patronising in your approach. The bullying alone, at his age, must be really worrying for her. She needs proper solutions and a source of support not snap judgement.

Courtney555 · 19/09/2018 22:42

Sorry, his feelings aren't being hurt at all, his health is. You are commenting as if I've told her to run behind him poking him with a stick Hmm

All the things I listed are negatives that increase as his size does.

As another poster says, treating him like he's a precious little flower, and allowing him to eat junk food into oblivion because he might feel hurt about not getting plates of chips every day, is doing him no favours. And in my opinion, certainly not being a responsible parent.

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Purplepinkpurple · 19/09/2018 22:44

One piece of veg on his plate even.

Courtney555 · 19/09/2018 22:49

Your friend already knew the answer. She maybe doesnt know HOW to do it, to make the transition.

I agree. And my suggestion this tea time clearly went down like a lead balloon.

I like your idea of one piece of veg with each meal. Even if he's just gulping it down, it's only a mouthful, and so might be something met with a lot less resistance.

Hidden veg in a sauce, another good idea.

Keep them coming. She'll almost certainly phone back tomorrow when she's calmed down, and this will be really helpful.

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tolerable · 19/09/2018 22:50

she knows shes the adult just as much as you do. thats a heavy cross to carry-she also knows you were honest cos no ill feeling towards ds..and consider her her friend. ...and because of that and possible unknowns..you could try softly softly.the truth is hard,results may be a whole lot more than two or three nights of t time going tits up..tell her you realise you upset her,but dont apologise .say you will help/support her if and how you can.if hes ten,hes gonna be aware of his bulk..hes a boy.need to .make it his idea?(aye-a said that)

Hanyu · 19/09/2018 22:52

I also agree with ScurrilousSquirrel

You sound like that poster the other day who felt that people with depression should be told to cheer up and get on with it.

My son is a picky eater. It really doesn't work the way you said. The more you push him, the more he just digs his heels in and refuses to eat. My son is very slim though due to his pickiness. It breaks my heart. I'd also be devastated if someone had talked to me the way you talked to your friend. I don't think I'd want to continue the friendship knowing how you felt, so perhaps prepare yourself for the friendship being non-repairable.

As you asked, I would advise a "no pressure" approach. Try one new thing on his plate every meal. He doesn't have to eat it, but lots of praise for trying it. Buffet meals are better as they can control what they eat and with food, control is very important. Getting her son involved in food prep really helps. Try growing some fruit or veg in pots at home, watch cooking programmes together. Also modelling healthy eating by eating well herself.

Lookatyourwatchnow · 19/09/2018 22:53

@Ruffian if the DC's mother is so very worried about bullying, what do you suggest that she does about it? Perhaps parent her son and make him eat a normal, healthy diet?

You're telling the OP that she should come up with 'solutions' in this scenario. Like, eat some veg or you aren't going on your x-box? Or, nope, you're not eating shite for your tea?

It's that simple. People like to make it sound more complicated so that it looks harder. But in the real world, parents put reasonable boundaries in place for their children because, you know, it's their job to keep them safe and raise them properly.

ScurrilousSquirrel · 19/09/2018 22:55

Ah, I see you're one of those people who'd prefer to be right than be a friend. Good luck with that.

jackio2205 · 19/09/2018 22:57

*Its the "you're making him fat" that's really playing on my mind. I really should not have said that, that's really quite a cheap shot isn't it.

Should I wait for her to contact me, but perhaps start with acknowledging that it was not a helpful thing to say*

If you genuinely feel bad you should say sorry about this, its pretty judgemental, even if you make the 'first move', it might even help you making the first move?
Please note though I'd say exaaaactly the same thing as you did, you did the right thing its just shitty being the messenger and when someone is upset/angry/defensive it can come across really condesending.
Good luck and i hope she perseveres with it, tough being a single parent amd playing good and bad cop, but have to see it through!
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