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To think women’s rights are actually bad for women

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crazydoglady6867 · 16/09/2018 08:05

I am sure I will get shot down for this but here goes:

I really think that women wanting and largely getting EQUALITY is the best thing that is happening in modern times. What I have an issue with is women wanting to be better than men, wanting more rights and with girls/women only groups sports events etc we are actually just segregating ourselves and making men feel ostracised in some situations which is making them feel they need to gain back this “power” they feel they should have over women.
I am in a bike group who have a ladies section and they are just recently going a bit OTT over the women riders and making them more inclusive than the men really, they have special ride outs for them but men are not allowed to have a male only one. Etc etc...

You can see where I am going with this, and I am happy to change my mind in how I feel if posters come up with a reasonable debate into why I am wrong here.

I want to be thought of as equal to my male counterparts I don’t feel I need to have special running races they can’t run in or special groups my son can’t join or special days to celebrate my gender.

I remember a sketch in the 70’s on the Two Ronnies with Diana Dors in it called “the worm has turned” and thinking yeah as if that will ever happen, well people I can honestly say I am getting a bit worried for our men.

I know MN has a good proportion of man haters but you can’t all be like that, am I really the only one who feels like this.

OP posts:
ItsLikeNew · 16/09/2018 20:53

Arthuritis would you go on a thread talking about Black lives matter, with an OP saying black people should not have groups just for them, and you come along and say yeah my white son was slapped once by a black woman, what about him?

WrongOnTInternet · 16/09/2018 20:55

So the thread's title is about women's rights, but really it's all about the men?

You are doing yourself no favours tonight. Give it a rest.

Arthuritis · 16/09/2018 20:56

I am in a bike group who have a ladies section and they are just recently going a bit OTT over the women riders and making them more inclusive than the men really, they have special ride outs for them but men are not allowed to have a male only one. Etc etc...

And about making the rides more inclusive than the men and that the men aren't allowed to have men only rides.

So discussing women's rights in the context of excluding men and banning them from their own activity.

So I think quite relevant to discuss men within the context.

HeronLanyon · 16/09/2018 20:56

Yetalkshitehen - rarely seen such patience and common sense. Excellent posts. And others also. Blimey ! You
Must be exhausted !

BertrandRussell · 16/09/2018 20:57

“He's not entitled to feel something because he is a man.”

Of course he is. But sexual harassment is not routine for men as it is for women. And men do not fear violence from women.

YeTalkShiteHen · 16/09/2018 20:58

would you go on a thread talking about Black lives matter, with an OP saying black people should not have groups just for them, and you come along and say yeah my white son was slapped once by a black woman, what about him?”

This!

Arthuritis · 16/09/2018 20:59

In an area where men are under represented of course they can.

But why only in an area where men are underrepresented?

If the club has a mixed group and a women only group who is affected by them having amen only group?

Are women excluded or discouraged from going?

No because they can go to both the mixed and women only groups.

What are the men taking away from women by having their own group?

Rufusthebewilderedreindeer · 16/09/2018 21:00

So discussing women's rights in the context of excluding men and banning them from their own activity

They arent banned from riding their bikes

Elephantinacravat · 16/09/2018 21:05

So discussing women's rights in the context of excluding men and banning them from their own activity.

How are they being banned? Jesus!!!!

5bobaweek · 16/09/2018 21:06

No one is sneering about your son being upset. Or saying that bad things don't happen to men.

We're e.g. saying 85,000 women raped in England and Wales every year. And you're saying but think about that man who may be falsely accused.

We're e.g. saying that women are paid less than men and have fewer opportunities in many workplaces and careers as a result of our biology. You're saying, but think about that man who was disappointed because his wife changed her mind about sharing her maternity leave.

We're saying we shouldn't have to, and we don't have the time to centre a handful of men in any conversation about the widespread oppression of women by men.

Elephantinacravat · 16/09/2018 21:07

Sneering because my son might be upset about something.

No one was sneering. The discussion was around a comparison of a male teacher being told that some of his female students fancy him, to women being told to 'get your tits out' or being catcalled in public or whatever.

Arthuritis · 16/09/2018 21:08

Arthuritis would you go on a thread talking about Black lives matter, with an OP saying black people should not have groups just for them, and you come along and say yeah my white son was slapped once by a black woman, what about him?

But that isn't what has happened.

FrameyMcFrame · 16/09/2018 21:08

Feminism isn't about equality. It's about women being viewed as fully human.

I read this morning that until recently new drugs were never tested out properly for women, even though women often reacted differently or needed different doses, even the guinea pigs themselves were male.
It's things like this that go unnoticed but conspire to the 'othering' of women.

tillytop · 16/09/2018 21:09

Just a reminder: In the OP she said I can honestly say I am getting a bit worried for our men So I would say a 50/50 thread?

cardibach · 16/09/2018 21:10

banning them from their own activity

  1. They aren’t being banned from the activity
  2. Why is it ‘their activity’ any more than the women’s?
GoldenWonderwall · 16/09/2018 21:13

Didn’t realise secondary school teachers weren’t accused of being massive paedos by the coven. Do their powers of fake peado bashing not extend into KS3? Perhaps that’s when the false rape claims start that ruin good men’s lives and dbs checks instead. Poor men, running the gamut between women accusing them of being peados or rapists depending on their career choice. And they can’t even organise an all man motorcycle meet because some random on the internet made up a scenario that never happened! The world is truly upon their shoulders.

Rufusthebewilderedreindeer · 16/09/2018 21:13

framey

And men's heart attack symptoms are different to womens

And guess whose is more well known

Arthuritis · 16/09/2018 21:14

We're e.g. saying 85,000 women raped in England and Wales every year. And you're saying but think about that man who may be falsely accuse

And that is not the context of what I said.

I wasn't saying think about the man falsely accused in the context of 85000 women being raped.

I was saying think about the long term implications for a man being falsely accused in the context of the long term implications of a woman doing the false accusation.

And I wasn't talking about the man being denied paternity leave in the context of the lack of opportunity given to women as a result of having children

I was talking about it in the context of men not wanting to be involved in bringing up their children of men not sacrificing any part of their career to bring up children.

So you are totally misrepresenting me to further your argument.

Arthuritis · 16/09/2018 21:17

@GoldenWonderwall

And that post isn't minimising what happens to men or sneering at them?

Which is what everyone is adamant they arent doing. Apart from when they are.

Arthuritis · 16/09/2018 21:21

*banning them from their own activity

  1. They aren’t being banned from the activity
  2. Why is it ‘their activity’ any more than the women’

Because the men did it first. Then women joined. Now women want their own group but the men can' t have a group?

But why?

What justification is there?

Women feel intimidated to join with the men? Then great the women have their own group.

How does it affect women for men to have their own group?

Elephantinacravat · 16/09/2018 21:22

Because the men did it first. Then women joined.

Why do you think the men did it first just out of interest?

Rufusthebewilderedreindeer · 16/09/2018 21:23

arthur

How do we know why the MALE organisers of a bike club have decided that MALES shouldn't have their own group

People have said what it MIGHT be

But perhaps the ops husband should ask

tillytop · 16/09/2018 21:23

You've put up a brilliant argument Arthuritis but you're talking mostly to women who have a hidden agenda. They never listen to reason, have no concerns for disabled women or decent men and are well known for putting anyone down who differs. I left the toxic "feminist" board last week and feel much better for it. But well done, I've fully understood you.Flowers

Arthuritis · 16/09/2018 21:25

Why do you think the men did it first just out of interest?

Sorry. Not following.

I meant the men set up the club first..

Is that what you are asking - why did the men set up the club first?
I am guessing because they had a common hobby or riding motorcycles but I guess you would have to ask them

Rufusthebewilderedreindeer · 16/09/2018 21:27

I love decent men

I know some of them myself

Also concerned about disabled women though i ve obviously missed on the thread where they were mentioned so apologies for that