To think women’s rights are actually bad for women

[crazydoglady6867]

I am sure I will get shot down for this but here goes:

I really think that women wanting and largely getting EQUALITY is the best thing that is happening in modern times. What I have an issue with is women wanting to be better than men, wanting more rights and with girls/women only groups sports events etc we are actually just segregating ourselves and making men feel ostracised in some situations which is making them feel they need to gain back this “power” they feel they should have over women.
I am in a bike group who have a ladies section and they are just recently going a bit OTT over the women riders and making them more inclusive than the men really, they have special ride outs for them but men are not allowed to have a male only one. Etc etc...

You can see where I am going with this, and I am happy to change my mind in how I feel if posters come up with a reasonable debate into why I am wrong here.

I want to be thought of as equal to my male counterparts I don’t feel I need to have special running races they can’t run in or special groups my son can’t join or special days to celebrate my gender.

I remember a sketch in the 70’s on the Two Ronnies with Diana Dors in it called “the worm has turned” and thinking yeah as if that will ever happen, well people I can honestly say I am getting a bit worried for our men.

I know MN has a good proportion of man haters but you can’t all be like that, am I really the only one who feels like this.

Yes it's probably far more common for women to experience it. Doesn't make it right when it happens to men though.

Oh right. Yes of course probably women have bigger focuses on their appearance than men do. And of course we should all feel sorry for men instead.

In what way was your son a victim of harassment?

Oh I forgot the best bit..this is your adult, teacher son who was 'distraught' to hear some girls fancy him.

See this is what I don't get.

Why the sneery comments? Why the obvious delight that a man might be a victim of something?

You don't want to improve things for women. You want to delight in men suffering.

The women bit is incidental.

Haven't read the full thread but feel like this thread was started by a trans activist..or maybe just a troll.

Have been lurking and reading this thread with interest and only felt compelled to comment at this stage because I’m staggered by the nasty, bullying, dismissive comments and name calling that have been posted on here.

It really does you no favours at all if that’s all there is to offer.

Crazydoglady and Arthuritis in particular have, whether you agree with them or not, repeated themselves clearly, consistently and politely over and over for clarity yet 95% of what is posted in response is sarcasm, silliness and frankly childish responses. The level which some posters have sunk to is really quite depressing and, for many, will have the totally opposite effect that you are presumably aiming for.

Dorsetdays well thanks for that. I’ve actually invested quite a lot of thought, time and emotional energy into answering and genuinely trying to explain where I’m coming from. As the vast majority of women on here have.

I’ve not been rude or offensive or called anyone names.

yet 95% of what is posted in response is sarcasm, silliness and frankly childish responses.

Why would you write that when it's so obviously not true?

If that's aimed at me I am so sorry for expressing my total incredulity at having to explain what women's life is actually like to another stated woman. At having to explain where male privilege starts. The economic disparity between the sexes is bloody obvious.

But why would women be suspicious of a male teacher?

Is this about my son's male infant school teacher?

If so I don't know why. He was the first male teacher there in a very long time. The talk in the playground was along the lines of

Why would a man want to teach infants
Why not be a secondary school teacher
What about when the girls get changed for PE (yet it was fine for female teachers to supervise infant boys changing for PE)

I don't know why they behaved like they did. But they did.

Why did sone idiots mix up paediatrician with paedophile and attack a drs house on the south coast? Because some people are idiots I guess.

I second that Dorsetdays

YeTalkShiteHen. Don’t be personally offended. I very clearly didn’t say everyone on here, I said 95%.

I very clearly didn’t say everyone on here, I said 95%.

Which is still clearly bollocks.

If that's aimed at me I am so sorry for expressing my total incredulity at having to explain what women's life is actually like to another stated woman.

I didn't ask you to explain what womens life is like.

I asked you to explain why I, as a woman, wasn't allowed to have the opinions that I have. That having my opinions clearly makes me a man.

You must have a stereotypical view of what a man and a woman are in order to be able to label me.

You might disagree with me. Fine. I disagree with you.

But why say I can't be a woman with those views?

You don't want to improve things for women. You want to delight in men's suffering. Spot on.

It's because girls need protecting. From men. And because women were once those girls themselves. We all know that. Just as we all know the reality of male violence against girls and women, but are told that boys' and men's feelings matter more.

Why the sneery comments? Why the obvious delight that a man might be a victim of something?

He wasn't a victim of anything. He's an adult and a colleague told him that some teenagers fancy him. I'm not delighting in the suffering of men, I don't see that there is any suffering.

And I don't understand why you think your adult son being privately told that some girls fancy him is remotely comparable to a female in a public place having a group of males making comments about her breasts to harass and frighten her.

You're really scraping the barrel in your 'but what about the men?' examples.

You asked me to explain what privilege your son had that your daughter did not. You also asked me what I thought a woman was. So you did, in effect ask me what a woman's life is like. And now you are complaining because I answered you.

You don't want to improve things for women. You want to delight in men suffering.

Who is delighting in men suffering? Where?

As I said before pretend feminists. You're lucky Arthuritis took me a lot longer. And then only because of the disabled women discrimination last week.

And attempting to insult me in the process I might add.

I have sons and a partner, I have no desire to see any men suffer. Ever.

What I am not going to do is pretend men suffering, being targeted, being harassed and abused is anything close to the norm, or the majority.

Because it isn’t. The majority of times when a man is subjected to these things, it is perpetrated by another man.

Which brings us back to toxic masculinity, and the power of men being at the root of the problem.

So now we’ve established that essentially, we all agree on the fundamental basis for why we need change, can we start working together?

A teacher might well be distraught if pupils fancy him actually

So @WrongOnTInternet agrees that this is reasonable. But @POAlockdown doesn't understand.

He wasn't told in private he was told in front of other staff and a big joke was made plus he has had comments made to him, in class, by students. And he's had to stamp down on it. Including one girl writing her name on work as Mrs my son's name.

As I said before pretend feminists

Gosh you bolded for emphasis. That absolutely turns a rather foolish position into a salient point 🙄

You’re conflating opinion and fact.

I see why your son felt the way he did. He felt humiliated by these girls and by the colleagues taking the piss out of him for it.

It wasn’t fair.

Did he feel physically threatened by these girls? Fear they would sexually assault him?

The fact is that women can't do anything to improve things for themselves without being accused of 'taking delight in the suffering of men'.

When all you have ever known is privilege, equality feels like oppression.