To think women’s rights are actually bad for women

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I am sure I will get shot down for this but here goes:

I really think that women wanting and largely getting EQUALITY is the best thing that is happening in modern times. What I have an issue with is women wanting to be better than men, wanting more rights and with girls/women only groups sports events etc we are actually just segregating ourselves and making men feel ostracised in some situations which is making them feel they need to gain back this “power” they feel they should have over women.
I am in a bike group who have a ladies section and they are just recently going a bit OTT over the women riders and making them more inclusive than the men really, they have special ride outs for them but men are not allowed to have a male only one. Etc etc...

You can see where I am going with this, and I am happy to change my mind in how I feel if posters come up with a reasonable debate into why I am wrong here.

I want to be thought of as equal to my male counterparts I don’t feel I need to have special running races they can’t run in or special groups my son can’t join or special days to celebrate my gender.

I remember a sketch in the 70’s on the Two Ronnies with Diana Dors in it called “the worm has turned” and thinking yeah as if that will ever happen, well people I can honestly say I am getting a bit worried for our men.

I know MN has a good proportion of man haters but you can’t all be like that, am I really the only one who feels like this.

Haven't RTFT

But.........

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Not at all but organisations do if they feel they need to provide safe groups for women/girls only so they are not intimidated by men and boys

I’m intimidated by groups of men/boys. Strangers at least. Men I know and trust, fair enough. But large groups of men, particularly “laddish” men terrify the shite out of me.

I wish they didn’t, but life has taught me to be. A woman has never raped me, a woman has never battered me unconscious, a woman has never spent years abusing me.

I don’t think all men are going to, in fact I know they’re not, but in a situation with strangers how am I to know?

to be afraid that should read.

I can't for the life of me remember who said this, but a man in a room full of a hundred women, and women only, is ecstatic. A woman in a room full of 100 men, and men only, is intimidated or scared. It's sad but true. How about men work at not being scary and intimidating, and shirk their Male entitlement, and we won't have a need for women only spaces

I do agree, it makes life complicated for a man falsely accused.

At least he has a life to live. Holly Wells and Jessica Chapman should be 26 years old now, adult women who had made a life for themselves. But they aren’t.

I know that you are going to now take what I say and twist it but honestly, if it was your son, would you take that view?

If he honestly hadn't done anything wrong and he could not longer work in his chosen profession you'd think it was ok because at least he was still alive? Even if he had nothing at all to do with anyone not still being alive?

The case of Holly and Jessica was just the stuff of nightmares. I cannot begin to imagine how their parents carry on. Ian Huntley needs to never be allowed out of prison for what he did.

But a better system needs bringing in.

Number 1 the bloody DBS needs to be a live document. Want is the point init already being out of date once the ink has dried on the certificate?

You can subscribe to the live update but I doubt that anyone intent on committing crime is going to volunteer to do that are they?

Lweji
FFS. I can’t but as I said read the thread, I am fed up of saying it now.

We need to teach our girls to stand up for themselves so they can teach boys not to think it’s ok to rape a woman
This won’t happen overnight clearly, but Rainbows and Brownies are not helping. Not just those organisations obviously 😂

Bloody Nora 🙄

Do you object to the WI, as well, OP?

I can't for the life of me remember who said this, but a man in a room full of a hundred women, and women only, is ecstatic. A woman in a room full of 100 men, and men only, is intimidated or scared.

I’m not!

If he honestly hadn't done anything wrong and he could not longer work in his chosen profession you'd think it was ok because at least he was still alive? Even if he had nothing at all to do with anyone not still being alive?

No I wouldn’t, at all. I’d be deeply angry that a system which allows the rape and murder of children hadn’t worked. I’d be deeply angry that my own child was affected through no fault of his own.

I just don’t think the alternative is going back to a system where abusers and paedophiles have no checks or way of tracking them.

I wish I knew what was, but the prevention of murder and rape has to be priority.

I'm not!

Lucky you, and I mean that genuinely. Some of us are, because of life experiences.

I’m not

Some fine anecdata going on.

I’m intimidated by groups of men/boys.
And me by women.

A women only gym is my idea of hell.

The point being we're all different.

So cater for everyone. Let men have men only groups, women have women only groups and mixed groups too.

Though I agree with the OP that mixed groups are the way forward but if people aren't happy with that then have single sex groups. Great.

What is wrong with that?

Oh well off you're not OP then no woman ever was! I forgot you spoke for the of womankind BTW you should be

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I'm not!

Lucky you, and I mean that genuinely. Some of us are, because of life experiences

Which is why we need to help our girls not to feel like that in the future so they can stand in a room of 100 men and not feel intimidated.

But a better system needs bringing in

It really doesn't. There is no 'business' need for it, false allegations are extremely rare.

Op can I ask why it isn't your dh or your ds posting on here, after all they are the ones affected by the decision that an all male bike ride is not allowed. Why are they not actively challenging that decision? Also it's easy to say raise your daughters strong so that they can challenge men. What if your DD was naturally shy? What if she had hated scouts and other male dominated clubs? What if she had been beaten and sexually assaulted in her teens and is frightened of men, despite her upbringing. Would you still be telling her to get out there and challenge men, or would your attitude change to accommodate her. That's what segregation offers, accommodation for those people that need it. By all means plan for a world that won't need it, but provide it while we still do.

Oh well off you're not OP then no woman ever was! I forgot you spoke for the of womankind hmm BTW you should be

Why?

Which is why we need to help our girls not to feel like that in the future so they can stand in a room of 100 men and not feel intimidated

You are STILL making it the responsibility of women.

Why can’t men take some of it?

You can subscribe to the live update but I doubt that anyone intent on committing crime is going to volunteer to do that are they

I work in a school and it's a condition of employment that we sign up to the update service and allow the School to check our certificates every year

I wish I knew what was, but the prevention of murder and rape has to be priority.

So how does the current system prevent rape or murder?

All it does is identify those that have already been convicted or accused.

So at the risk of being cliched Jimmy Saville would have had a clean DBS.

Hardly a ringing endorsement is it?

It worries me that having a DBS certificate actually encourages people to let their guard down. It is only a part of a picture. Not a cast iron guarantee of safety.

I work in a school and it's a condition of employment that we sign up to the update service and allow the School to check our certificates every year

That's fantastic but not practice across the board is it?

So cater for everyone. Let men have men only groups, women have women only groups and mixed groups too

Absolutely, they can keep the feckin masons for a start!

But cheek aside, aye fair enough. I’d be happy with that.

Which is why we need to help our girls not to feel like that in the future so they can stand in a room of 100 men and not feel intimidated.

I do try to, and I pray hard that she never, ever feels how I feel.

I also teach my sons not to be intimidating, or laddish, or disrespectful, or to use their size to their advantage.

It cuts both ways, not just girls.

Which is why we need to help our girls not to feel like that in the future so they can stand in a room of 100 men and not feel intimidated

You cannot teach someone to not be intimidated by people stronger and more dangerous than them!! Start by teaching men to stop being violent might be a good start

I said that because ALLEGATIONS are recorded on a DBS report that if a woman makes a false allegation that will affect the man forever. That even if that charge is dropped that the record will be disclosed on any future DBS.

You do realise that most jobs don’t actually require an enhanced DBS?

Why are you focusing on this one minor aspect instead of the bigger picture and the vulnerable people DBS checks protect?

So how does the current system prevent rape or murder?

Had it been in place Huntley wouldn’t have done what he did.

The fact we don’t know how many it’s prevented is a good thing. We don’t know because they haven’t happened!