To think women’s rights are actually bad for women

[crazydoglady6867]

I am sure I will get shot down for this but here goes:

I really think that women wanting and largely getting EQUALITY is the best thing that is happening in modern times. What I have an issue with is women wanting to be better than men, wanting more rights and with girls/women only groups sports events etc we are actually just segregating ourselves and making men feel ostracised in some situations which is making them feel they need to gain back this “power” they feel they should have over women.
I am in a bike group who have a ladies section and they are just recently going a bit OTT over the women riders and making them more inclusive than the men really, they have special ride outs for them but men are not allowed to have a male only one. Etc etc...

You can see where I am going with this, and I am happy to change my mind in how I feel if posters come up with a reasonable debate into why I am wrong here.

I want to be thought of as equal to my male counterparts I don’t feel I need to have special running races they can’t run in or special groups my son can’t join or special days to celebrate my gender.

I remember a sketch in the 70’s on the Two Ronnies with Diana Dors in it called “the worm has turned” and thinking yeah as if that will ever happen, well people I can honestly say I am getting a bit worried for our men.

I know MN has a good proportion of man haters but you can’t all be like that, am I really the only one who feels like this.

Yep. Give men 12 months paternity leave AND women too. Both have the same amount. Neither loses so that the other gains.

Good plan. What about pay? 2 x 39 weeks’ pay for each? Quite expensive huh?

Isn’t there already an option of shared parental leave? Where it can be split if the couple so choose?

Is it time for my list of the things men could do to sort al, this out?

BertrandRussell I’d say so.

@YeTalkShiteHen

And the first line says you have to take reasonable steps.

Exactly what I said.

If a building cannot be reasonably adapted they don't have to do it.

So if a pool is built in an old pre fab type building with only 2 rooms they don't have to build an extension or knock it down. That isn't reasonable.

There's a national trust property near where I live. The staircase is a very steep narrow winding staircase. I can't get up it. It's a listed building.

How do they make it accessible? They can't and they don't have to

How do they make it accessible? They can't and they don't have to

That’s not changing facilities. Changing/toilet facilities are covered by law.

I can’t help feeling that you’re just after an argument tbh, because I’ve replied a good few times, in good faith, with valid points and most have been ignored.

You’re cherry picking what could cause a row. Why?

Isn’t there already an option of shared parental leave? Where it can be split if the couple so choose?

Yes there is but it requires the woman to curtail her maternity leave and move to shared parental leave, so she can choose not to.

I don't see an issue with women wanting Women's only groups etc, as this has been something men have enjoyed for many years. Look at the Masons and the private members clubs who still only admit male members.

I don't feel sorry for men and feel they are downtrodden and overlooked. It's still a mans world. They dominate the top level jobs in most fields, are generally better paid in many industries etc. They really are winning tbh. Equality still has a long way to go.

I do believe in equality though, I don't believe that either sex should have particular advantages over the other and I certainly don't hate men, only some of them 😉

Aye I thought that, so there is provision for men already? In that, women shouldn’t have to give up more than they already have because men are already covered?

I guess what I mean is that men have already been accounted for with that legislation, I don’t see the need for more?

I made a passing observation that you had displayed misogynistic views on an another thread. It’s actually you who expanded further in the first instance.

No what you did was totally misrepresent my views on another thread in order to discredit me and further your own argument.

Am I not allowed to correct that?

Are you sure you aren't a man?

Good plan. What about pay? 2 x 39 weeks’ pay for each? Quite expensive huh?

Yes it probably would be expensive but not everyone would take it up would they?

Not all women take their full entitlement as it stands now.

And what price do we put on equality?

YeTalkShiteHen
It is your intonation rather than content I was putting in question. All your posts are rather abrupt

For anyone asking what men can do- here followeth The List.

1. Take full responsibility for their fair share of domestic work and childcare.
2. Challenge sexist/ misogynist/violent talk and behaviour every time they see it and wherever they see it
3. Stop using prostitutes.
4. Challenge sexist work practices-for example making sure that any panel, board or committee they are on at least represents the sex balance of the organization - if necessary refusing to go on it if it isn't.
5. Stop watching porn.
6. Stop buying and playing sexist video games, and films that don't pass the Bedschel test.
7. Watch Nanette weekly to keep their minds focussed.
8. Think about how they parent their boys, and remember that they are the next generation of men. And that they are the man their children will learn about relationships from.

9) Make sure that they acknowledge, and let their children see them acknowledge, the contribution their wife or partner makes to the family. This is particularly important when she is a SAHP.

(7 is not entirely serious)
(The list is getting longer-9 is new.)

You’re cherry picking what could cause a row. Why?

I don't want a row and I'm not trying to cherry pick - by the time I've replied to one post more have appeared and it's difficult to keep track.

I don't think that changing rooms are exempt from reasonable adjustments but if you know that they are then I will accept that.

Can you tell me where to find it because staff changing rooms up at the top of a flight of stairs in work (toilets on ground floor) so I'd like to be able to insist that they make accessible changing rooms if the law allows this.

'I really think that women wanting and largely getting EQUALITY is the best thing that is happening in modern times.'

The only sort of country where 99.99% of people have true 'equality' is North Korea.

'Equality' in the sense they're dirt poor and are forced to work like slaves for a brutal totalitarian regime.

True equality is not possible in a capitalist, liberal democracy because the system recognises the cold, hard reality that we're all individually different.

Equality of opportunity tends to exist in the UK for middle class young women and this is best illustrated by changing face of historically male dominated, high status professions like medicine and law.

However, working class young women have, by and large, not benefited from 'feminism' and it's also fair to say that their working class male equivalents are still not benefitting from being members of the 'patriarchy'.

I’m autistic, abrupt is how I talk, and write apparently.

I wasn’t offensive, or rude. So why my post?

I stand by my point that there are words used to shut women up, bossy being one of them. I found that curious.

@arthuritis

I initially said

Why don’t you care about women and their rights? This is the second thread this week I’ve observed your misogyny on. Men, disabled people, their rights seem to trump women’s for you in all circumstances. Why is that? Why do you despise your own sex?

That was all I said. I didn’t misrepresent your views at all. You were the one who then brought up the other thread. You are very clear that women’s rights are at the bottom of the pile. You are the one saying it. Not sure how it’s “misrepresenting” anything.

And yes I’m quite sure I’m a woman thanks. I’m not sure what I have said that would make you think otherwise, but hopefully that reassures you.

Can you tell me where to find it because staff changing rooms up at the top of a flight of stairs in work (toilets on ground floor) so I'd like to be able to insist that they make accessible changing rooms if the law allows this

You should absolutely be able to insist on this. I’ll try and find the link again, hang on.

YeTalkShiteHen
It is your intonation rather than content I was putting in question. All your posts are rather abrupt

If Hen was male would you also say her posts were bossy and rather abrubt?
Or would they be focused and to the point? 🤔

link on employment provision

I guess what I mean is that men have already been accounted for with that legislation, I don’t see the need for more?

Because men can only have it if the woman agrees.

So in the previous post a man wanted to take paternity leave but his wife wouldn't share her maternity leave with him.

Men only have 2 weeks paternity leave.

Other than that maternity leave can be shared between the partners, if they agree.

So men don't have their own entitlement.

CosmicCanary exactly!

Because men can only have it if the woman agrees

Flip that round. It’s how the rest of the world operates.

For all the other advantages that male privilege confers, I’m afraid I can’t get worked up about the occasional man not getting to take shared parental leave.

I dislike all the segregation too OP. I don't need or want to be treated as special

That was all I said. I didn’t misrepresent your views at all.

But you did misrepresent me by saying I put men and disabled people first with women at the bottom of the pile.

I didn't say that in the other thread.

I said close down one of the changing rooms - either the mens or the womens alternating if needs be -to let the boy and his mum change.

Other posters then piled in saying that no way should the female changing room be closed ever.

So yes you did misrepresent me.