To wonder why so many famous people are publicly supporting...

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Oritse of JLS fame who has been charged with the rape of a 20 year old fan, along with a friend of his who is accused of assaulting the same woman. Those who have publicly lent their support and well wishes to oritse include aston merrygold (also of jls), Alexandra Burke, Rochelle humes and olly murs amongst plenty of others. Falling over themselves to declare what a lovely guy oritse is.

Am I going mad or did #me too never happen? Why publicly throw your support behind someone who is accused of rape in the current climate? I wouldn't want to speculate whether he's guilty or not - but no consideration at all for the young woman did shock me.

*What you are doing is clouding the issue, and that is never helpful.

Consent matters.*

Well, there's a contradiction!

'Consent' IS what clouds the issue.

'Consent' IS what clouds the issue

Only if you’re too fucking stupid to understand that walking into a room doesn’t constitute consent,

victim blaming

Where have I done that? And WHO is the victim here?

walking into a room doesn’t constitute consent

Which room and when?

Anyway, whoever is to blame here I hope has learnt a lesson and never repeats the actions that led to this. Both sides!

Which room and when?

Read back your own posts.

I believe her.

Rape victims are treated like shit, blamed and labelled slags. They have their sexual history dragged through the mud in public. Why would anyone lie to court that sort of attention?

What could possibly be in it for a woman to lie?

No they didn't get charged as it is current police policy NOT to charge women for false accusations apart from extreme cases

I would love to see the evidence for this

Actual evidence that there is written policy to say that they will not be charged

struggling not 4 girls, 2.
2 men (the accused) 2 girls (the alleged victim returned for her things, both had left coats/bags behind allegedly. Police were called shortly afterwards).

As I said before, it appears barely anything has changed in 30 years since the Mike Tyson conviction. Deeply depressing and disturbing.
More than one perp in the Ched Evans case, the Irish one, the Spanish one...lads/bantz/spitroasting porn...girls are not just objects or holes.

Read back your own posts

I think you're the one who hasn't made the connections.

Stranger's Hotel room versus long-term-partner's shared space.

Stranger's Hotel room versus long-term-partner's shared space.

If you think that walking into a stranger’s hotel room gives them the right to have sex with you without your consent, I can’t help you.

It is not me who is woefully misunderstanding, counterpoints, that said, I have neither the energy nor the inclination to continue trying to get you to stop making ridiculous and damaging statements about rape.

Rufus read each forces policy.
Some forces are on record also as stating this.

Have people not learned anything from the Belfast rape trial with those rugby players. Just because they are found not guilty does not mean innocent by any stretch.
I thought that case highlighted the importance of consent so much. Unfortunately the message is not out there enough. Even if a woman goes to a hotel room a party it agrees to have sex she can withdraw consent at any time. If the man does not respect that it is and always will be rape.
I think his pals are foolish .. and I am surprised their Management let them show support publically.

I would assume they went to continue partying?

Big assumption - there are groups of girls/women who follow celebrities around and would do practically anything. If they are invited to the hotel room I , and I think most people, would assume it is for sex. If it was just to carry on drinking why not go to the hotel bar? Sex happened, but at what point consent was withdrawn we will probably never find out.

Have people not learned anything from the Belfast rape trial with those rugby players

Sadly the vitriolic abuse the woman received tells me that no, people have learned nothing from it.

@counterpoint

Are you saying that if a woman goes to a hotel room with a man and he rapes her, she is partially responsible for being raped because she went into the hotel room with him?

Nothing gives a man the excuse to rape a woman, and being raped is never the victims fault.

Rufus read each forces policy.

So you dont have any evidence, or at least the links

Shame

Also coubterpoint if you went in a bedroom with your dad, brother or friend's husband and he raped you then did you consent to it? By your logic you have, no?

Counterpoint not just dangerously close to but smacks of horrendous victim blaming! Legally there is a right to withdraw consent at ANY TIME morally any decent man NEVER presumes consent. Regardless of location! Truly appalling apologistic posts!

"Or are females too stupid to take responsibility in all cases?" Jesus! No not stupid POWERLESS! Men have the power physically and societally.

"I would love to see the evidence for this

Actual evidence that there is written policy to say that they will not be charged" me too!!

No they didn't get charged as it is current police policy NOT to charge women for false accusations apart from extreme cases

Bollocks. Total bollocks. I hate to tell you but it's far more likely your friends are rapists

Anyway, whoever is to blame here I hope has learnt a lesson and never repeats the actions that led to this. Both sides

Yeah, it'll be a stark reminder to stop getting raped I hope you know that YOU are part of the problem of why women don't report rape. Not mythical false accusers

I've googled and ant find anything to say it's the police policy not to prosecute women for perverting he course of justice WRT rape. And I'm not looking through 43 policy documents to find it. It doesn't exist, and I think you need to stop talking crap and telling lies

Oh, look what I have here...the CPS legal guidance to making a charge of perverting the course of justice WRT false allegations of sexual and domestic abuse.

And what do you know - it says nothing about "only charging in extreme cases".

Hope you are suitably embarrassed @BigLass9 I suggest doing research on your lie before you spout it

www.cps.gov.uk/legal-guidance/false-allegations-rape-andor-domestic-abuse-see-guidance-charging-perverting-course

Prosecutions for these offences in the situations above will be extremely rare and by their very nature they will be complex and require sensitive handling. On the one hand, victims of rape and / or domestic abuse making truthful allegations require the support of the criminal justice system. They should not be deterred from reporting their allegations. Nor should they be criminalised for merely retracting an allegation because true allegations can be retracted for a broad range of reasons. Very often such allegations are made by a person who is vulnerable or in the context of a relationship, often with a protracted and complicated history, all of which is bound to have a bearing on the issues in the case. On the other hand, false allegations of rape and / or domestic abuse can have serious adverse impact on the person accused. This is why these cases must be examined thoroughly by suitably experienced prosecutors who should strike the right balance between ensuring genuine victims are believed and not criminalised whilst recognising the need to protect the innocent from false allegations

I think this is a really, really important part of that link Gunpowder, it also backs up what most of us have been saying.

To potentially criminalise rape victims would be absolutely abhorrent.