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AIBU?

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My son was assaulted at school and I don't like how the school handled it. But AIBU?

432 replies

ButAIBUtho · 14/09/2018 16:40

My son is in year 7 so only a couple of weeks in.
Two things that could alter my reasonablility in what happened today
1- we're fresh out of Primary school, perhaps this is the norm for secondary school
2- I was horrifically bullied at school and beaten up regularly, I've no doubt this makes me extra jumpy with issues of bullying that may arise.

Today I get a phone call from pastoral at 1pm. They say my son has been punched in the face after he got into a 'fracas'. But they put ice on it and he's gone back to class.

That's it.

I ask is he ok? What happened? Who did it? How did the fight start? Is he ok to walk home? Will it happen again? How old was the kid?

They say they don't know. They just deal with first aid and to call his house.

I'm panicking because DS is a really gentle soul and quiet, least aggressive child I know and his kindness has always been pointed out by teachers at primary (again false sense of security?!).

So I'm calling the school for over an hour trying to get through to someone to find out wtf happened, and is my kid ok? I mean, aside from the ice on the cheek?!

Someone finally calls me back about 2.15pm, I ask what happened? They said they just spoke to my son and he got into a fight and the other child hit my son in the face, but they will get statements from everyone and find out what happened.
I asked if it would happen again? Is my son ok to walk home? Who is the other child?

They can't tell me who the kid is and they are going to investigate it.

I ask them if I can come and collect DS as I still don't know if he's ok (I wouldn't be if I'd just been punched!) and they said yes.

So I go down to the school, see DS waiting for me. I ask to speak to someone about what's happened.
In the mean time I talk to DS, I can see the bruises on his face (I've since taken photos) and ask him what happened.

DS was with a friend, child X called friend a pussy. My DS said "why are you calling him a pussy?"
Child X asks DS if he wants a fight? DS said no, Child X swings and DS. DS pushes him away, Child X falls down. He then gets up and punches DS 5 times in the face, a teacher pulls him off.

The friend DS is with has a black eye, earlier in the week Child X punched him and he's got massive bruising (DS says "worse than mine") and it looks terrible.

Half an hour passes and a woman saunters over. We go into a room, and she says "what do you want to know?"

I say I wanted to know what happened. DS has since told me, he also told me another child has been hurt. What happens next? Will the kid be punished? Will DS be ok to walk home safely in future?

She says "well first of all, your child got himself involved with this altercation. And I'll get statements from the adults who witnessed it to find out exactly what happened."

She's really rude and defensive with zero people skills. I'm feeling myself getting a panicky frustration and anger (I expect I was BU?!).

This conversation goes round in circles and I get absolutely no answers. I don't know how the child gets punished, I don't know how they stop it happening in future, I don't know if he's ok to walk home alone or if this kid is going to do it again.

All I know is they'll be getting statements.

I ask how the child will be punished? She said it depends what the statements say and what your son did.

She did admit that one of the teachers statements married up with what my son had said.

She was rude, abrupt and accusatory.
As I left I said she needed to work on her people skills. She said "I could say the same to you."

I walked out and just sat in the car and cried.
I'm a nurse if a child is hurt and a parent is irate, I do my best to calm them down and help them. That's my job.

Today my child was hurt, I wasn't reasurred in any way shape or form (on the contrary, the kid has form for assaulting children) and I've know idea if they contact me to discuss it further or what the fuck happens.

I'm just baffled. Is this normal for secondary?!
Is this how it is handled?

He was repeatedly punched ffs.

OP posts:
tolerable · 14/09/2018 17:29

yanbu...but you are teetering very close to the edge. !. first off-apart from bruising-is ds ok?...shaken?upset?easy bout it?does he feel ok bout moonday?intimidated?worried?no concern?if you have underlying issue re bullying its not a surprise.you have to see someone in your own right to help you sort that shit out.Its easy(for me)saying that,but presumeably recognising your own experience as a possible influence on reaction cant be good for you and..so not good for ds
ask ds to write down details of what who when where why and make sure he knows you only be angry if find out he lies-whats dones done(shit happens)instead of telling him to clype-ask what other way situation could have been handled. anyone raising hands-including to shove attacker away will be viewed as "contact"
has ds got a form tutor/guidance teacher?call on monday and speak with them. they should surely have some answers for you by then.
If the school investigation determines this was a one off heated row which got out of hand..your gony have to accept it.they will not force cross carrying and crucify the other child.the end. what do you think is appropriate. are you prepared to accept that ds never skelped other child but did shove him which will potentially be viewed as physical aggression and if 50/50 or worse-they will punish both students?is that fair?

coldrain2018 · 14/09/2018 17:30

coldrain how was her child not assaulted? he was punched five times in the face. outside of school the police would be called.

he came of worse in a fight he admits he started.....

YeTalkShiteHen · 14/09/2018 17:31

Nobody would put up with being punched in the face at work, why the fuck is it ok in school?!!

Exactly! Everyone just sneering at OP like she’s making a fuss over nothing. A child being punched 5 times is not nothing. But apparently we should accept children being hurt at school Hmm

DS1s former headteacher suggested he learn “resilience” to physical bullying, as a life skill.

I did ask that short of becoming the next Anthony Joshua or Conor McGregor, what walk of life would he need resilience to being punched in the face?

No answer.

PassMeTheHaribosAmego · 14/09/2018 17:31

Huge sympathies for you butAIBUthou it’s really difficult when this happens
I think the woman should have introduced herself and tried to calmly reassure you that they would fully investigate it
Of course you are going to ask questions that Cant be answered because you are in shock , equally you are likely to be snappy
They should be trained to deal with this

Walkerbean16 · 14/09/2018 17:31

coldrain what is wrong with you? he didn't start the fight he shoved someone who was about to punch him.

Nicknacky · 14/09/2018 17:32

No one is saying at all it’s acceptable that he got punched but are saying that the full facts need to be established.

ExFury · 14/09/2018 17:33

The OP didn’t handle it well imo, but there’s no way her son started the fight. Asking someone why they called your friend a name isn’t starting it. Neither is pushing someone when they try to hit you.

Violetparis · 14/09/2018 17:34

OP, hope you, your son and you son's friend are ok. Don't get why some people are being totally unsympathetic to a Mum who got the phone call we all dread, especially when her son has just started secondary school.

YeTalkShiteHen · 14/09/2018 17:34

Self defence legislation in the U.K. states you can use “reasonable force” to prevent harm coming to yourself (OPs son) or someone else (his friend with the black eye).

A push constitutes reasonable force.

5 punches to the face do not.

Suspect there are many parents of aggressive children feeling a bit got at on this thread.

NotTheFordType · 14/09/2018 17:34

Bloody hell, AIBU is a fucking vipers nest today for sure.

OP yanbu to not like how it was handled today.

But honestly? Yes this is the norm for many secondary schools, going by my own experience and that of my son, who thankfully left school some 7 years ago.

"Boys will be boys" sadly seems to be the rule of thumb for many schools.

Foxyloxy1plus1 · 14/09/2018 17:35

It’s upsetting that this happened to OP’s son, of course it is. But the school DOES need time to properly investigate exactly what happened, who saw what and which staff members were involved.

I’d guess that the staff were teaching this afternoon, so it will be followed up after school. By all means ask for anti bullying and safeguarding policies and by all means ask for further clarification
and information if you are not satisfied when the matter has been investigated.

I would dispute that teachers always tell you you’re silly in these situations. I’m not a teacher now, but I was and often dealt with situations as HoY. I couldn’t resolve things the same day sometimes, because I was teaching and these things require as much information as possible to get as full a picture as possible.

No one condones bullying and OP needs to know what the policy says about it.

Elementtree · 14/09/2018 17:36

Only in school could you attempt to defend yourself from one punch and then be punched five times in the face and then you still get accused of starting the fight.

Anywhere else and you would be understood as the victim of assault.

BarbarianMum · 14/09/2018 17:36

Your son does not need to stand passively by whilst someone tries to punch him. If you are dissatisfied with the school's approach you can report directly to the police.

I do think you are being unreasonable to expect a full report from the school within a couple of hours. I so think they should have explained the process to you.

SoupDragon · 14/09/2018 17:37

your child was not assaulted

Yes he was.

Your child started a fight

Actually, he pushed someone away in self defence.

ButAIBUtho · 14/09/2018 17:37

Thanks to those being understanding.
I realise my emotions were heightened throughout and was well aware that my fear and worry would get in the way.

I told DS that we should go to the police, DH wants to. But DS got really upset and said he just wants to have friends at school and everyone we hate him if we went to the police.
When I was a kid the kids beating me up were very well known to the police as were their families. I begged my mum not to go to the police on so many occasions because I knew it would make no difference but just make things worse. So I hear what DS is saying.
I'm ignoring Coldrain because she is making things up as she is going along for a rise. I can't be arsed.

I agree with posters above, I've wondered what would happen if I was punched several times at work?

OP posts:
Branleuse · 14/09/2018 17:37

Id call police

Dorkdiary · 14/09/2018 17:37

As someone who has worked in schools and dealt with things like this surely a good year head would have introduced herself, apologised for the circumstances, explained they were investigating and would give the op a call as soon as they had taken statements and discovered what had happened and reassured that the child would be safe while they investigated.

BasicUsername · 14/09/2018 17:38

"really, the OPs child hit first, and has admitted that, and maybe has done a lot more he hasn't admitted, call the police, by all means, the OPs child will be getting a police record."

The way I read it @coldrain2018 is that the other child went to punch OPs child, and OPs child pushed him away. That's not assault, that's self defence.

I'm more inclined to believe the OPs child (from the info that we have) than the child who already assaulted another child earlier in the week.

newbiegreenfingers · 14/09/2018 17:38

Sorry to hear your son was hurt OP, I would be upset too.

I work in a school, I've seen this sort of thing happen before (although tbh I work in primary, not senior so it might be different).

The school should have been more upfront with you - they should have been able to tell you if your son was ok, and what happened for him to be hurt. I wouldn't dream of phoning a parent to tell them their child was punched and not have any back story, especially as this sounded malicious.

The school have no obligation to tell you how they will punish Child X, but they might, it depends on the school. They themselves probably didn't know what punishment to deal out at the time, if indeed they were still taking statements. They should have said this to you.

If Child X is targeting your child regularly, then you should expect more communication. Make yourself aware of their bullying policy.

My advice would be to make an appointment with your child's teacher next week if you have not heard anything. If you can't get much sense out of their teacher, make an appointment with a senior tutor or a deputy head (depending on the size of the school). Hopefully by next week everyone will feel a bit calmer, know what happened and how best to move forward.

In a nut shell you should have have been given more information, I'm thinking that's the main cause of upset here, but the school couldn't have told you Child X's punishment by the time you went to pick up your son. Saying that I don't work for your son's school so this is just educated advice!

Perfectly1mperfect · 14/09/2018 17:39

In your position, I would email the school over the weekend stating again your sons version of events and to ask what happens next and your expectations.

I would ask for a meeting when all statements/investigations are over to discuss everything.

If the other boy is found to have started the fight, he should be punished, possible isolation. Sometimes they put all children involved in isolation which is wrong in my opinion. They will probably get all the boys together at some point to discuss them not carrying this on and outline consequences of any further trouble.

I hope your son is ok. Hopefully this will be a one off. Unfortunately telling the teacher isn't really the done thing especially by boys in secondary.

I would say well done to your son for sticking up for his friend. If your sons version of events is true the other boy sounds like a troublemaker having had other issues already.

GuavaPalava · 14/09/2018 17:39

Yanbu. The school sound half hearted and like they couldn't care less. I'd be so upset if this my my son. Ignore the posters in here who basically are saying they wouldn't care less if it was their child - I mean, that IS what you're saying right? You'd be all cool and trust the school to do the right thing?

OP, I'd want an explanation for how this could happen and I'd like a reassurance that my son won't be punched again whilst in their care. What's their anti bullying policy for example?

Sisgal · 14/09/2018 17:40

HOLY SHIT there are some crazy fuckin mums on here who think its ok for their kid to be assaulted Confused

ButAIBUtho · 14/09/2018 17:41

But honestly? Yes this is the norm for many secondary schools, going by my own experience and that of my son, who thankfully left school some 7 years ago.

This is something I'm beginning to realise I need to accept.

OP posts:
Sisgal · 14/09/2018 17:41

The school has a duty of care to EVERY child whilst in their care.

BasicUsername · 14/09/2018 17:43

"HOLY SHIT there are some crazy fuckin mums on here who think its ok for their kid to be assaulted "

No @Sisgal, they just think it's ok for other people's children to be assaulted. I bet they would be going fucking mental if it happened to their child.