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AIBU?

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My son was assaulted at school and I don't like how the school handled it. But AIBU?

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ButAIBUtho · 14/09/2018 16:40

My son is in year 7 so only a couple of weeks in.
Two things that could alter my reasonablility in what happened today
1- we're fresh out of Primary school, perhaps this is the norm for secondary school
2- I was horrifically bullied at school and beaten up regularly, I've no doubt this makes me extra jumpy with issues of bullying that may arise.

Today I get a phone call from pastoral at 1pm. They say my son has been punched in the face after he got into a 'fracas'. But they put ice on it and he's gone back to class.

That's it.

I ask is he ok? What happened? Who did it? How did the fight start? Is he ok to walk home? Will it happen again? How old was the kid?

They say they don't know. They just deal with first aid and to call his house.

I'm panicking because DS is a really gentle soul and quiet, least aggressive child I know and his kindness has always been pointed out by teachers at primary (again false sense of security?!).

So I'm calling the school for over an hour trying to get through to someone to find out wtf happened, and is my kid ok? I mean, aside from the ice on the cheek?!

Someone finally calls me back about 2.15pm, I ask what happened? They said they just spoke to my son and he got into a fight and the other child hit my son in the face, but they will get statements from everyone and find out what happened.
I asked if it would happen again? Is my son ok to walk home? Who is the other child?

They can't tell me who the kid is and they are going to investigate it.

I ask them if I can come and collect DS as I still don't know if he's ok (I wouldn't be if I'd just been punched!) and they said yes.

So I go down to the school, see DS waiting for me. I ask to speak to someone about what's happened.
In the mean time I talk to DS, I can see the bruises on his face (I've since taken photos) and ask him what happened.

DS was with a friend, child X called friend a pussy. My DS said "why are you calling him a pussy?"
Child X asks DS if he wants a fight? DS said no, Child X swings and DS. DS pushes him away, Child X falls down. He then gets up and punches DS 5 times in the face, a teacher pulls him off.

The friend DS is with has a black eye, earlier in the week Child X punched him and he's got massive bruising (DS says "worse than mine") and it looks terrible.

Half an hour passes and a woman saunters over. We go into a room, and she says "what do you want to know?"

I say I wanted to know what happened. DS has since told me, he also told me another child has been hurt. What happens next? Will the kid be punished? Will DS be ok to walk home safely in future?

She says "well first of all, your child got himself involved with this altercation. And I'll get statements from the adults who witnessed it to find out exactly what happened."

She's really rude and defensive with zero people skills. I'm feeling myself getting a panicky frustration and anger (I expect I was BU?!).

This conversation goes round in circles and I get absolutely no answers. I don't know how the child gets punished, I don't know how they stop it happening in future, I don't know if he's ok to walk home alone or if this kid is going to do it again.

All I know is they'll be getting statements.

I ask how the child will be punished? She said it depends what the statements say and what your son did.

She did admit that one of the teachers statements married up with what my son had said.

She was rude, abrupt and accusatory.
As I left I said she needed to work on her people skills. She said "I could say the same to you."

I walked out and just sat in the car and cried.
I'm a nurse if a child is hurt and a parent is irate, I do my best to calm them down and help them. That's my job.

Today my child was hurt, I wasn't reasurred in any way shape or form (on the contrary, the kid has form for assaulting children) and I've know idea if they contact me to discuss it further or what the fuck happens.

I'm just baffled. Is this normal for secondary?!
Is this how it is handled?

He was repeatedly punched ffs.

OP posts:
RomanyRoots · 14/09/2018 18:10

YABU but understandably.

They are unable to discuss other children with you, no matter what they have done.
how do they know if the child will jump on your dc on the way home? They aren't mind readers.
waiting for half an hour for somebody to speak to you is amazing, there might not have been anyone free at all.
likewise them calling you back again on the same day.
I think you owe her an apology, what was her job title btw?

Juells · 14/09/2018 18:11

My child wouldn't be going back to the school until I'd had assurances he wouldn't be attacked again. That's not OTT, it's common sense.

Vagndidit · 14/09/2018 18:11

How low our standards must be in today's educational system, or in society in general, when it is deemed absolutely o.k. that an 11 year old child has been assaulted at school... Seriously? If this happened to my child, I'd be shopping around for a new school.

bastardkitty · 14/09/2018 18:12

Sorry the idiots have landed on your thread OP. I would have been very upset in your shoes. It was very poorly handled by the staff member. Maybe get your son checked out by the GP. I would give school the opportunity to handle it appropriately but keep in mind the option to report the assault to the police.

Firesuit · 14/09/2018 18:12

As I left I said she needed to work on her people skills. She said "I could say the same to you."

OK, if she had said that to me, that would be the exact instant when I would have decided to (a) call the police and (b) sue the school.

Possibly I would get nothing from suing them, and it would cost me money to have done so, but I would do just for the sake of fucking with people who were choosing to abuse me.

A parent whose child has just been punched five times in the face isn't required to have good people skills. (Though I see nothing that suggests OP said anything wrong.)

The person who comes to tell the parent what's happened: it's their fucking job to have found out what they can, and to handle the emotions.

Aragog · 14/09/2018 18:13

your child was not assaulted.

Yes he was. He was hit in the face 5 times and left with marks and bruising. Regardless of anything before or after, or even if he was equally responsible (I don't believe he was based on the OP's account) he has still been assaulted.

Your child started a fight

Really? Thats not how the OP's posts read.

Child swung at OP's DS - to me that means he raised his hand/fist and went to hit him. This was the first move to fight.

The OP's DS pushed him away to prevent himself (and his friend possibly) being hit. The is self defence.

your child is likely to be excluded, I should imagine.

Why would the OP's ds be excluded? He pushed someone away who was aiming to hit him. This could be classed as self defence. Why would someone who was trying to protect themselves from being hit be excluded? And would pushing someone over and causing no bruising, injuries, etc lead to an exclusion generally? Nit in my experience.

However, punching someone 5 times in the face should indeed be an exclusion - there would have to be some major mitigating reasons for it not to be so, not just being pushed when trying to hit someone!

Willow2017 · 14/09/2018 18:15

I think coldrain is reading a different thread!

Ops son pushed away a boy who was in the process of thumping him but he started a fight.
He will be excluded.
His version of events will be sooooo different from what happened yet a yeachers statement has verified his story.
And going to school to see your child after he was punched 5 times in the face will humiliate him for life !
And a police record for defending himself.
And op will get a warning! Of what?

Ffs are you on glue?

bastardkitty · 14/09/2018 18:16

It's high time Mumsnet Towers had a zapping party for some of these goady fuckers.

PerfectPenquins · 14/09/2018 18:17

I would give school until Monday afternoon to investigate and contact me then I would be onto the police and not back down, I would speak to the other victim's parents as well and see if they would be happy to pursue things with the police. Punched five times in the face is beyond savage what a lovely dangerous shit he is. Oh and for the second time that week! The head of year sounds like an obnoxious twat who needs some serious training asap.

garethsouthgatesmrs · 14/09/2018 18:17

Yes OP ignore coldrain theres always one.

And don't send him in on monday if you are worried. Wait until you get feedback from the head of year and feel reassured.

Was it the head of year who was rude?

Aragog · 14/09/2018 18:17

This is something I'm beginning to realise I need to accept.

Please don't. Keep standing up for your boy. This is not normal behaviour. It is not foolish playing around. It is serious stuff.
The child should have been out of class this afternoon, and someone in school should have been dealing with it this afternoon. No, they may not have been able to give answers, etc. today - but they should be assuring you that your child's safety is important to them and that they do not accept children being assaulted on their school grounds.

Iv'e worked in some pretty dodgy secondary school before, and even there this would not have been condoned and brushed off so lightly!

I doubt any parent on this thread would be so casual and laid back about it if this was their child, regardless of how relaxed they may appear on here.

tinytemper66 · 14/09/2018 18:17

I don't think anyone can not have sympathy with OP's son but I think the school needs to be left to investigate. It does take time and as it happened on a Friday, OP may not get an answer until Monday afternoon or Tuesday. Details have to kept confidential and whilst it may not seem right, the victim may not know what sanctions will be placed on the child who attacked him.

I hope your son recovers quickly.

MaisyPops · 14/09/2018 18:18

when it is deemed absolutely o.k. that an 11 year old child has been assaulted at school...
The vast vast majorty of pepple on this thread have not said that it's ok to be punched at school!

Since when did 'the school have to investigate but can't share details about another child and it will take more than an hour to investigate fully' mean 'yeah punch who you like at school, a good punching is just part of life'?
Hmm

Aaaahfuck · 14/09/2018 18:20

I was bullied at school and physically assaulted as part of this so I completely understand your concerns. In my experience schools seem to treat assaults very differently to if it happened in the real world. I know they are children but thinking about it there's no fucking way I'd go to work to sit in the same office as someone who had punched me in the face.

I get the impression that they seem to have the attitude kids are going to get into scuffles and group them in together.

The woman you spoke to sounds kind of rude so I'd be fucking pissed off with that attitude. I would not be happy to put him back in that environment until they can tell you how your son is actually going to be safe.

Ionacat · 14/09/2018 18:20

I have to say that I am shocked at the way it has been handled. At the last school I worked at, either the Head of Year or any free senior member of staff would have taken statements straight away and both your DS and child X would have been pulled out of lessons to write separate statements and it would have been dealt with there and then. (Usual to go and find any staff who had witnessed it to get a quick verbal report before getting it in writing.)
I would apologise for the lack of comment saying you were stressed and ask for a phone call and ask about conclusion of the investigation and what is going to happen going forward to safeguard your son, bear in mind that they won’t tell you what has happened to child X, however nothing to stop you asking if the behaviour policy has been followed. (Your DS will know about any inclusion or exclusion as kids talk.)
Please don’t mention Ofsted as some posters suggest, Ofsted don’t deal with individual complaints - even safeguarding ones. If you are unhappy about safeguarding in a school then speak to your LADO.

I have given witness statements to the police in the past from witnessing fights, they don’t always bat it back to the school.

Liciaflorrick · 14/09/2018 18:21

I cannot believe how people are defending the lady that the op spoke to and the way that the school handled it. I would also be shopping for a new school. In fact a similar thing happened to my DD, and I removed her and found alternative school. Not easy. Sympathies Op.

actualpuffins · 14/09/2018 18:22

YANBU, OP. I would never expect an 11 year old to be violently assaulted, or expect that they would think it was ok for a child to just carry on with their day as if nothing had happened. I would want them checked up at minor injuries/A&E at least. I'm sure if one of the teachers was badly hurt by a pupil they wouldn't be expected just to brush it off and carry on with the next lesson.

areyoubeingserviced · 14/09/2018 18:22

I don’t blame you OP
I would be concerned about the fact that this could lead to your ds being bullied.
This has to be nipped in the bud before it escalates

Liciaflorrick · 14/09/2018 18:22

I also don't get why it takes so long to investigate. A child has been injured. Sort it.

Willow2017 · 14/09/2018 18:23

And i agree op it was handled in a very lackadaisical way.
When my son was assaulted i was called in and the deputy head explained what had happened and was very reassuring that it wouldnt happen again. That the childs parents had been sent for to take him home and he would ne excluded for the rest of the week pending investigations as to thier next move (not 1st time he had caused trouble ) so my son would be safe.

Didnt need to mention his name just assure me that they were on the ball.
Thats not a lot to ask. Sounds like the person you spoke to couldnt give one either way. Coming over as not interested and defensive doesnt fill you with confidence that the school will do anything proactive at all.

Hope your son is ok and you get some reassurance pdq.

BoneyBackJefferson · 14/09/2018 18:24

BasicUsername

I'm more inclined to believe the OPs child (from the info that we have) than the child who already assaulted another child earlier in the week.

we don't know what happened earlier in the week other than the OP'S DS's friend was in a fight with the other child.

Aragog · 14/09/2018 18:25

I wouldn't have dreamed of racing down to the school and demanding to speak to someone.

If my child has been punched in the face 5 times I would be wanted to see them and check they were okay. Regardless of how big they ay seem when they walk off to secondary school, they are just 11 years old They are children. Being punched in the face several times would be shocking, and distressing to anyone.

As a parent it is my job to look out for my child and stand up for them, and help the seek justice if thinks go wrongly against them.

I would want to see my child to check they really were okay, to check their injuries didn't need medical checks (I work in a school, I know things can get missed, esp in a large secondary school situation)

And I would want reassurance that the situation was being looked at thoroughly, that my child was safe in school, and that the person responsible was being kept away from my child too.

I would want to take them home to care fore them and show them I care about them when they've been hurt and assaulted in such away. I'd want to do this regardless of their age!

Heck, if someone punched me in the face I'd want someone to come and show me some care and attention - I wouldn't be going straight back into class thats for sure!

PleaseTryAnotherUsername · 14/09/2018 18:26

YA definitely NBU. School reaction is appalling and if nothing goes forward, please involve police. Bullying is awful and some MN bitching competes with it.

zzzzz · 14/09/2018 18:28

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BoneyBackJefferson · 14/09/2018 18:28

actualpuffins

I'm sure if one of the teachers was badly hurt by a pupil they wouldn't be expected just to brush it off and carry on with the next lesson.

Comedy gold.

I've known teachers sexually assaulted by pupils, and not only did they have to teach the next lesson they had to have the pupil back in the class the next lesson and rest of the year.

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