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AIBU?

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My son was assaulted at school and I don't like how the school handled it. But AIBU?

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ButAIBUtho · 14/09/2018 16:40

My son is in year 7 so only a couple of weeks in.
Two things that could alter my reasonablility in what happened today
1- we're fresh out of Primary school, perhaps this is the norm for secondary school
2- I was horrifically bullied at school and beaten up regularly, I've no doubt this makes me extra jumpy with issues of bullying that may arise.

Today I get a phone call from pastoral at 1pm. They say my son has been punched in the face after he got into a 'fracas'. But they put ice on it and he's gone back to class.

That's it.

I ask is he ok? What happened? Who did it? How did the fight start? Is he ok to walk home? Will it happen again? How old was the kid?

They say they don't know. They just deal with first aid and to call his house.

I'm panicking because DS is a really gentle soul and quiet, least aggressive child I know and his kindness has always been pointed out by teachers at primary (again false sense of security?!).

So I'm calling the school for over an hour trying to get through to someone to find out wtf happened, and is my kid ok? I mean, aside from the ice on the cheek?!

Someone finally calls me back about 2.15pm, I ask what happened? They said they just spoke to my son and he got into a fight and the other child hit my son in the face, but they will get statements from everyone and find out what happened.
I asked if it would happen again? Is my son ok to walk home? Who is the other child?

They can't tell me who the kid is and they are going to investigate it.

I ask them if I can come and collect DS as I still don't know if he's ok (I wouldn't be if I'd just been punched!) and they said yes.

So I go down to the school, see DS waiting for me. I ask to speak to someone about what's happened.
In the mean time I talk to DS, I can see the bruises on his face (I've since taken photos) and ask him what happened.

DS was with a friend, child X called friend a pussy. My DS said "why are you calling him a pussy?"
Child X asks DS if he wants a fight? DS said no, Child X swings and DS. DS pushes him away, Child X falls down. He then gets up and punches DS 5 times in the face, a teacher pulls him off.

The friend DS is with has a black eye, earlier in the week Child X punched him and he's got massive bruising (DS says "worse than mine") and it looks terrible.

Half an hour passes and a woman saunters over. We go into a room, and she says "what do you want to know?"

I say I wanted to know what happened. DS has since told me, he also told me another child has been hurt. What happens next? Will the kid be punished? Will DS be ok to walk home safely in future?

She says "well first of all, your child got himself involved with this altercation. And I'll get statements from the adults who witnessed it to find out exactly what happened."

She's really rude and defensive with zero people skills. I'm feeling myself getting a panicky frustration and anger (I expect I was BU?!).

This conversation goes round in circles and I get absolutely no answers. I don't know how the child gets punished, I don't know how they stop it happening in future, I don't know if he's ok to walk home alone or if this kid is going to do it again.

All I know is they'll be getting statements.

I ask how the child will be punished? She said it depends what the statements say and what your son did.

She did admit that one of the teachers statements married up with what my son had said.

She was rude, abrupt and accusatory.
As I left I said she needed to work on her people skills. She said "I could say the same to you."

I walked out and just sat in the car and cried.
I'm a nurse if a child is hurt and a parent is irate, I do my best to calm them down and help them. That's my job.

Today my child was hurt, I wasn't reasurred in any way shape or form (on the contrary, the kid has form for assaulting children) and I've know idea if they contact me to discuss it further or what the fuck happens.

I'm just baffled. Is this normal for secondary?!
Is this how it is handled?

He was repeatedly punched ffs.

OP posts:
Rainbowturkey · 14/09/2018 17:02

The school can’t tell you what the punishment will be.

I do imagine that as it’s happened twice this week the school will keep a closer eye on the child in order to keep others safe.
I hope your DS is ok.

ExFury · 14/09/2018 17:03

You need to let staff deal with the incident first before they can tell you what’s happening. Before she knows what happened she can’t tell you the answers to most of your questions. And it takes time because she’s got to speak to the kids and adults who witnessed it between the adults teaching.

They won’t tell you what is done with the child. Your child will probably know, the kids usually do, just as they’ll tell you who it was when the school can’t.

YeTalkShiteHen he might have been sent home, but not until he’s been spoken too and the OP won’t have been told that. Also sometimes they don’t that, they deliberately keep the instigator back to allow the victim time to leave, rather than give them an afternoon at home where they could possibly just wait somewhere to kick off again depending on the parents allowing them out.

zzzzz · 14/09/2018 17:04

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sofakingg00d · 14/09/2018 17:04

You have no right whatsoever to know if another pupil is in school or not.

You have no idea what punishment the boy has receieved for the first incident. It is absolutely none of your business.

MrMeSeeks · 14/09/2018 17:04

How did her ds react first?
Or should he have let him punch him in the face willingly?

YeTalkShiteHen · 14/09/2018 17:06

I know they couldn’t formally disclose sanctions, but when OP asked repeatedly if her child would be safe to walk home surely a bit of reassurance could have been given?

Incidentally she asked once who the kid was, and what his punishment would be (no, I know they can’t and shouldn’t answer).

The majority of questions she asked were was her son ok, was he safe and would he be safe to walk home. None of which were answered.

Faithless12 · 14/09/2018 17:06

Yanbu. Sorry but they shouldn’t call you if they don’t know your son is ok. Speaking as an ex teacher. I would be looking at moving your child, this teacher doesn’t like your son for whatever reason and I find people don’t change their opinion regardless of how lovely or amazing you are.

ButAIBUtho · 14/09/2018 17:07

So DS gets assaulted and I just have to expect nothing and accept it?

Really? I'm finding that a real struggle to get my head around.

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Nicknacky · 14/09/2018 17:07

Of course the school knew he was ok!

ExFury · 14/09/2018 17:08

If he wasn’t ok they’d have asked you to come and get him, or taken him for medical attention.

YeTalkShiteHen · 14/09/2018 17:09

OP I had this with DS1, repeated assaults from a child from the mainstream part of the school (DS1 is autistic and was in the support unit).

After a few months of bullshit from the school I called the police.

ExFury · 14/09/2018 17:09

It’s not that you have to accept nothing, but you have to give the school time to deal with it.

Sirzy · 14/09/2018 17:09

You where wanting answers School either a) can’t provide or b) don’t yet have answers too.

And as a nurse would you have really accepted a patient speaking to you like you spoke to the teacher?

zzzzz · 14/09/2018 17:11

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YeTalkShiteHen · 14/09/2018 17:11

Bruising people’s faces isn’t behaving foolishly. Ever.

ButAIBUtho · 14/09/2018 17:12

ExFury deal with it and then what though?
Nothing. I don't find out how they stop this happening in future.

I accept that IABU (I had a suspicion!) but if I go by the replies on here, I hear that my son was assaulted and I just have to accept that and get absolutely no feedback or response and I should simply accept that the school will take statements.
And that's it.
Nothing else.

OP posts:
ButAIBUtho · 14/09/2018 17:13

Sirzy how did I speak to the teacher?

OP posts:
Sirzy · 14/09/2018 17:13

Telling her she needs to work on her people skills is rude!

Nicknacky · 14/09/2018 17:14

You have just got to accept they will take statements. THEN they will deal with what they have and will give you whatever feedback they can.

What more do you expect at this stage?

Bombardier25966 · 14/09/2018 17:14

in the real world when someone is assaulted is the victim not well within their right to find out how the person is punished?!

In the real world it can take weeks and even months to get to the point of punishment. It is unlikely to take that long in a school, but it's never going to be an instant thing and nor should it be.

Think about it the other way round. If you were accused of assaulting someone at work, would you be happy if you were dismissed from work within an hour of it happening? I doubt it. We have processes to ensure complaints are treated seriously but also fairly.

If you need to contact school again, then firstly apologise to the person you were rude to. Then ask for a timeline for the investigation to be completed.

SoupDragon · 14/09/2018 17:17

You need to focus on your DS and only him. The school won’t know whether it’s safe for him to walk home - how could they? That’s something you need to decide for yourself by discussing it with your DS.

The other child is none of your business and you won’t find anything out about him other than what your DS tells you. Is he the same year? If so I imagine they are finding their feet with how to cope with his behaviour.

Don’t get me wrong, it’s shit and it shouldn’t have happened. I hope your DS is OK and isn’t too shaken up by it or hurt badly. Take your cue from him as to what to do wrt walking home etc.

biscuitmillionaire · 14/09/2018 17:17

OP, whenever there's a thread on here that's in any way critical of teachers or school, you always get a load of teachers replying telling you that you're silly and the school is always right. They're a very defensive lot.

If my son was punched 5 times in the face, I would be demanding a meeting with the head or senior leader. I would probably sit him down and make absolutely sure he's telling me the whole story first.

sofakingg00d · 14/09/2018 17:18

No you just shouldnt expect somebody to know all about the incident within an hour or two of it happening.

The staff member you spoke to on the phone is likely 'just' a first aider - they will have no idea of what is going to happen.

The teacher you spoke to may have heard of the incident walking to meet you in reception.

Average secondary schools have 1000 pupils and over 150 staff. Not everyone knows what is happening all the time.

ArgyMcBargy · 14/09/2018 17:18

They absolutely should be able to let you know their process, sounds like they don't have a sufficient one, ask them about restorative practice. And I am glad you did let her know she lacks people skills, I'm still wish I'd spoken up more at my son's first high school (different issue and their restorative practice was one of the few good things they carried out)

Walkerbean16 · 14/09/2018 17:19

i don't understand why the OP is getting such a hard time.

I hope your son is OK OP.

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