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AIBU?

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My son was assaulted at school and I don't like how the school handled it. But AIBU?

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ButAIBUtho · 14/09/2018 16:40

My son is in year 7 so only a couple of weeks in.
Two things that could alter my reasonablility in what happened today
1- we're fresh out of Primary school, perhaps this is the norm for secondary school
2- I was horrifically bullied at school and beaten up regularly, I've no doubt this makes me extra jumpy with issues of bullying that may arise.

Today I get a phone call from pastoral at 1pm. They say my son has been punched in the face after he got into a 'fracas'. But they put ice on it and he's gone back to class.

That's it.

I ask is he ok? What happened? Who did it? How did the fight start? Is he ok to walk home? Will it happen again? How old was the kid?

They say they don't know. They just deal with first aid and to call his house.

I'm panicking because DS is a really gentle soul and quiet, least aggressive child I know and his kindness has always been pointed out by teachers at primary (again false sense of security?!).

So I'm calling the school for over an hour trying to get through to someone to find out wtf happened, and is my kid ok? I mean, aside from the ice on the cheek?!

Someone finally calls me back about 2.15pm, I ask what happened? They said they just spoke to my son and he got into a fight and the other child hit my son in the face, but they will get statements from everyone and find out what happened.
I asked if it would happen again? Is my son ok to walk home? Who is the other child?

They can't tell me who the kid is and they are going to investigate it.

I ask them if I can come and collect DS as I still don't know if he's ok (I wouldn't be if I'd just been punched!) and they said yes.

So I go down to the school, see DS waiting for me. I ask to speak to someone about what's happened.
In the mean time I talk to DS, I can see the bruises on his face (I've since taken photos) and ask him what happened.

DS was with a friend, child X called friend a pussy. My DS said "why are you calling him a pussy?"
Child X asks DS if he wants a fight? DS said no, Child X swings and DS. DS pushes him away, Child X falls down. He then gets up and punches DS 5 times in the face, a teacher pulls him off.

The friend DS is with has a black eye, earlier in the week Child X punched him and he's got massive bruising (DS says "worse than mine") and it looks terrible.

Half an hour passes and a woman saunters over. We go into a room, and she says "what do you want to know?"

I say I wanted to know what happened. DS has since told me, he also told me another child has been hurt. What happens next? Will the kid be punished? Will DS be ok to walk home safely in future?

She says "well first of all, your child got himself involved with this altercation. And I'll get statements from the adults who witnessed it to find out exactly what happened."

She's really rude and defensive with zero people skills. I'm feeling myself getting a panicky frustration and anger (I expect I was BU?!).

This conversation goes round in circles and I get absolutely no answers. I don't know how the child gets punished, I don't know how they stop it happening in future, I don't know if he's ok to walk home alone or if this kid is going to do it again.

All I know is they'll be getting statements.

I ask how the child will be punished? She said it depends what the statements say and what your son did.

She did admit that one of the teachers statements married up with what my son had said.

She was rude, abrupt and accusatory.
As I left I said she needed to work on her people skills. She said "I could say the same to you."

I walked out and just sat in the car and cried.
I'm a nurse if a child is hurt and a parent is irate, I do my best to calm them down and help them. That's my job.

Today my child was hurt, I wasn't reasurred in any way shape or form (on the contrary, the kid has form for assaulting children) and I've know idea if they contact me to discuss it further or what the fuck happens.

I'm just baffled. Is this normal for secondary?!
Is this how it is handled?

He was repeatedly punched ffs.

OP posts:
Brokenmyankleandfoot · 17/09/2018 12:59

All you can ask, BUT, is what they’re doing to keep your child safe. You aren’t entitled to know what sanctions if any are being applied to the other child.

SoundOfWaves · 17/09/2018 13:04

Schools don't have the power to deal with bullying because current educational thought is that's it's all to do with the feelings of that aggressor. Therefore your son needs to be prepared to defend himself and you need to be clear that you support him in doing so.

Courtney555 · 17/09/2018 13:06

You are definitely not being unreasonable. You are expecting things to progress faster than is probably practical, in a real world sense.

Ignoring that the other boy has form for this, or anything else that makes you angry, at face value, your child has been punched in the face and you want to know what measures will be taken to ensure this doesn't happen again.

If they won't tell you that, ask for their official complaint procedure, and inform the board of governors.

You sound mad and probably let your anger get the better of you at times when speaking to the woman at the school. She does sound like a bit of a div to be honest, so you won't gain anything by pointing this out to her anyway.

Stay calm. Don't entertain another conversation trying to get information from them, just go immediately to the official complaints procedure, possibly on the schools website, and the minute they think the governors are being involved, you'll soon see the massive shift in attitude and cooperation.

ButAIBUtho · 17/09/2018 13:09

Surely they have to tell you how your child will be protected, ie what measures they will put in place to ensure his safety?

That's what I asked them.
They said they can't tell me anything.

OP posts:
Courtney555 · 17/09/2018 13:10

Also, download their anti bullying policy, and see if that states what you can expect them to deliver. To both students and parents.

MauveSofa · 17/09/2018 13:13

I would be very unhappy with that too OP. Are you thinking of looking for an alternative school for your DS?

PermanentlyFrizzyHairBall · 17/09/2018 13:19

I think it would be the general attitude which would concern me. Basically that it's no big deal probably both equally to blame and if it happens again it's still not a big deal. I can understand that they can't tell you what the repercussions will be, especially until they've investigated properly but they should certainly understand your concern and act to protect their students from assault.

There's a massive difference between a scuffle between 5 year olds in a playground and being punched in the face repeatedly by a teenage boy who can do real damage.

BlankTimes · 17/09/2018 13:24

You need to start creating a paper trail, any phone convo cannot be proved.

Email and ask
Who at school is the Safeguarding Officer for your son?
What strategies do they intend to put into place so that your son is safe on school premises?

babysharksmummy · 17/09/2018 13:24

YANBU. I can't stand it when schools act in the best interests of the bully over the victim.
The staff member could have been a lot nicer to you and reassured you of your DD safety without disclosing punishments. Although theres nothing wrong with wanting to know the school is taking their anti bullying policy seriously.

babysharksmummy · 17/09/2018 13:25

Sorry meant to say DS not DD

SoundOfWaves · 17/09/2018 13:29

YANBU. I can't stand it when schools act in the best interests of the bully over the victim.

Is starts with schools protecting bullies and ends with the criminal justice system favouring criminals over their victims.

unclejel · 17/09/2018 13:47

@ButAIBUtho I had something similar happen with my DD when she was Y8. I didn't even find out until my DD told me 3 days later & she only told me because a teacher who had taken the statements told her he would ring me, then didn't.

I wrote a letter to the HOY and sent it in with DD on the Friday asking that someone contact me regarding the incident. I left it until Monday and with still no word, I emailed the head teacher and copied the executive head of the academy. I attached the original letter and on the email I quoted their bullying policy back at them, outlining exactly where they had failed my DD, I also told them unless appropriate punishments were made I would be contacting the police.

I sent that email Monday evening, by 8am the next day I had a reply from the academy head saying he would personally be contacting the head to deal with the issue. By 9am I had the head on the phone apologising and telling me she was going straight to see my DD to talk to her & to speak to the teacher doing the investigation. By the next day my DH had gone into a meeting with DD & a teacher who told my DH they had followed up all the statements & viewed the CCTV. They suspended 2 of the gang for 1 week each, another 3 were put into isolation for a week. All of their parents were called in and were told any further incidents from their children would result in permanent exclusion.

I cannot understand why they are not telling you what the punishment will be. Fair enough not giving you names (although I'm sure your DS has already told you) but you need to know that something is being done. I would definitely go up the chain of command, if it is academy copy the head of the academy in too. I hope you get some answers soon.

YeTalkShiteHen · 17/09/2018 15:46

That's what I asked them
They said they can't tell me anything

That’s the one thing they should tell you!

They should have come up with ways to make sure it doesn’t happen again, and could tell you how without mentioning the other child.

If it happens again, take it higher than the head.

ButAIBUtho · 17/09/2018 16:23

Well the kid has been suspended and DS isn't in trouble at all so that's one thing
(And a bit of a fuck you to shit stirring posters who said DS started the fight etc).

I just have to hope that when this kid starts on someone else, it doesn't involve my son. And I also hope he gets the help that he needs because surely no secure, happy and well adjusted child actually goes out to deliberately harm others?

Thanks for all your help and support on here, I really really appreciate it. Flowers

OP posts:
BakedBeans47 · 17/09/2018 16:25

Fuck that shit, if someone punched me in the face I would call the police and that’s what I would do here too.

Categoric · 17/09/2018 16:26

I had a DC bullied when they moved to secondary school. The school were ineffectual and useless. I moved my DC and 8 more DC left by the end of the school year. The school needs to get a grip of the children who repeatedly offend or all the children will be at risk.

I was really worried when my DC started the new school in case it happened again. We have had no problems at all. The Head is brilliant and must have eyes in the back of his head, my DC jokes that you only have to sneeze one day and he asks you how your cold is the next.

The culture of a school comes from the senior staff.

YeTalkShiteHen · 17/09/2018 16:28

Well the kid has been suspended and DS isn't in trouble at all so that's one thing

Good! I’m glad they’ve taken it seriously, I was worrying they wouldn’t.

I also hope your son is left out of future incidents and that the boy gets the help he needs.

I hope you feel a bit more reassured now OP, and comfortable that the school will hopefully be keeping him and other children safe.

Perfectly1mperfect · 17/09/2018 17:32

Good update OP. Glad to hear the school have done the right thing and hopefully this will give you more confidence that the school do take these incidents seriously and take the appropriate action.

How is your son feeling about it all ? Hope he's ok.

MaisyPops · 17/09/2018 18:10

Well the kid has been suspended and DS isn't in trouble at all so that's one thing
Excellent update. Sometimes you've just got to let the school do their investigations and take their statements etc.
Glad it's resolved.

AllTakenSoRubbishUsername · 28/10/2018 16:27

Poor kid, sorry to hear this happened. I think I would have collected him then given time for the school to explain what happened. Plenty of opportunity then for you to say you are or not happy with the way it was dealt with - they haven't had a chance to deal with it yet. Pretty horrendous behaviour of this other kid though, very worrying.

UpstartCrow · 28/10/2018 16:32

IDK if this has already been said, but;

''well first of all, your child got himself involved with this altercation''

is victim blaming. When someone is looking for trouble, it is impossible to choose whether to get involved or not.

Osmak · 13/05/2021 18:14

Hello, my son is 15 years old, new to the school.
Very polite and kind but seems that he attracted bullies. Well ...
I will come straight to the point and question.
He has been assaulted by 5 older and taller cowards.

It was a premeditated action, police is involved and enough proof on video to understand how violent against my son they were.
The doctor and MRI conclude that he has injured brain Concussion after the assault.
Well ... the only action for me to take is taking this 5 cowards to court, not less that it.
My question is: what happen to them if they go to court?
What's the process ?

My son is a great little man, very kind and polite and I want to make sure those cowards will learn a lesson after that.
:(

Chartreuse45 · 14/05/2021 10:22

@Osmak you should start your own thread. This will get lost as a zombie thread and the "see all op posts" function won't work.

Chartreuse45 · 14/05/2021 10:23

Sorry, I did mean to send you strength and good wishes for what you are going through. Hope you get support IRL

supermoonrising · 14/05/2021 11:04

If that child is repeatedly violent he needs to be expelled from school for a significant period. We don’t expect adults to tolerate violent colleagues, we shouldn’t ask it of kids. The state system is far too tolerant.

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