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AIBU?

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My son was assaulted at school and I don't like how the school handled it. But AIBU?

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ButAIBUtho · 14/09/2018 16:40

My son is in year 7 so only a couple of weeks in.
Two things that could alter my reasonablility in what happened today
1- we're fresh out of Primary school, perhaps this is the norm for secondary school
2- I was horrifically bullied at school and beaten up regularly, I've no doubt this makes me extra jumpy with issues of bullying that may arise.

Today I get a phone call from pastoral at 1pm. They say my son has been punched in the face after he got into a 'fracas'. But they put ice on it and he's gone back to class.

That's it.

I ask is he ok? What happened? Who did it? How did the fight start? Is he ok to walk home? Will it happen again? How old was the kid?

They say they don't know. They just deal with first aid and to call his house.

I'm panicking because DS is a really gentle soul and quiet, least aggressive child I know and his kindness has always been pointed out by teachers at primary (again false sense of security?!).

So I'm calling the school for over an hour trying to get through to someone to find out wtf happened, and is my kid ok? I mean, aside from the ice on the cheek?!

Someone finally calls me back about 2.15pm, I ask what happened? They said they just spoke to my son and he got into a fight and the other child hit my son in the face, but they will get statements from everyone and find out what happened.
I asked if it would happen again? Is my son ok to walk home? Who is the other child?

They can't tell me who the kid is and they are going to investigate it.

I ask them if I can come and collect DS as I still don't know if he's ok (I wouldn't be if I'd just been punched!) and they said yes.

So I go down to the school, see DS waiting for me. I ask to speak to someone about what's happened.
In the mean time I talk to DS, I can see the bruises on his face (I've since taken photos) and ask him what happened.

DS was with a friend, child X called friend a pussy. My DS said "why are you calling him a pussy?"
Child X asks DS if he wants a fight? DS said no, Child X swings and DS. DS pushes him away, Child X falls down. He then gets up and punches DS 5 times in the face, a teacher pulls him off.

The friend DS is with has a black eye, earlier in the week Child X punched him and he's got massive bruising (DS says "worse than mine") and it looks terrible.

Half an hour passes and a woman saunters over. We go into a room, and she says "what do you want to know?"

I say I wanted to know what happened. DS has since told me, he also told me another child has been hurt. What happens next? Will the kid be punished? Will DS be ok to walk home safely in future?

She says "well first of all, your child got himself involved with this altercation. And I'll get statements from the adults who witnessed it to find out exactly what happened."

She's really rude and defensive with zero people skills. I'm feeling myself getting a panicky frustration and anger (I expect I was BU?!).

This conversation goes round in circles and I get absolutely no answers. I don't know how the child gets punished, I don't know how they stop it happening in future, I don't know if he's ok to walk home alone or if this kid is going to do it again.

All I know is they'll be getting statements.

I ask how the child will be punished? She said it depends what the statements say and what your son did.

She did admit that one of the teachers statements married up with what my son had said.

She was rude, abrupt and accusatory.
As I left I said she needed to work on her people skills. She said "I could say the same to you."

I walked out and just sat in the car and cried.
I'm a nurse if a child is hurt and a parent is irate, I do my best to calm them down and help them. That's my job.

Today my child was hurt, I wasn't reasurred in any way shape or form (on the contrary, the kid has form for assaulting children) and I've know idea if they contact me to discuss it further or what the fuck happens.

I'm just baffled. Is this normal for secondary?!
Is this how it is handled?

He was repeatedly punched ffs.

OP posts:
Cauliflowersqueeze · 14/09/2018 21:40

Let the school take the account from him directly. I would try not to mention it over the weekend other than to reassure him.

Perfectly1mperfect · 14/09/2018 21:41

It's very difficult to walk away at secondary though. Some boys see it as showing weakness and they can then be seen as easy target for others to pick on. I think your son was right to defend his friend. The other boy took it to another level by trying to hit the OPs son.

Bigmomma88 · 14/09/2018 21:41

YANBU OP, think that teachers in some schools see this happening way too often and just don't give a shyt.

Brokenmyankleandfoot · 14/09/2018 21:42

There was obviously some sort of verbal between the other two boys - and even if the other boy did just randomly walk up and say to his friend “you’re a pussy”, your son should have walked away, or encouraged his friend to leave.

Slabbering (which is what he did) has a habit of getting you in to trouble if the other boy is bigger and / or can hit harder.

Go to the police, if you want something done. Don’t let the school investigate. Because I don’t think schools are well equipped to deal with this sort of thing.

I’ll almost guarantee it ends up 6 and 2 3s. The other boy will say he only said something to someone else and next he knew your Ds has shoved him to the floor.

But honestly, if it was me, I’d be telling my son to keep it buttoned the next time and go for an adult.

BoneyBackJefferson · 14/09/2018 21:47

Brokenmyankleandfoot
But honestly, if it was me, I’d be telling my son to keep it buttoned the next time and go for an adult.

The OP has done exactly that.

ChristinaMarlowe · 14/09/2018 21:49

With the best will in the world @Brokenmyankleandfoot, we have enough to do without having x amount of year 7's "going for an adult" every time one calls another a pussy...

Cauliflowersqueeze · 14/09/2018 21:52

I disagree Christina - if little behavioural things are picked up they stop before becoming bigger. Or more frequent. It doesn’t always require a big investigation - a word in the ear can be very effective.

BoomBoomsCousin · 14/09/2018 21:52

Questioning bulling statements made against others (as the OP's son did) is normally recommended behaviour to cut bullying in school isn't it? Everyone's responsible for creating an environment in which bullying isn't acceptable etc.

A school that contends someone who confronts bullying is a troublemaker and complicit in their own victimization seems unlikely to be very hot on actually dealing with bullying.

Cauliflowersqueeze · 14/09/2018 21:55

I agree that bystanders are a big problem with bullying and that there needs to be a response to it. But asking someone why they did it is not often going to end well. Instead he could say to his friend “come on let’s go” and walk off, leaving the aggressor with nobody. A bigger or older student could definitely say “why are you calling him that?” and not get any comeback, but not a peer.

MaisyPops · 14/09/2018 21:59

BoomBoomsCousin
I suggest they join the peer and ignore the bully together by talking to each other or they help the peer leave the situation.

The nuances of reading a situation and working out when a direct challenge will have impact vs escalate a situation is something that comes with maturity and experience. Most year 7s don't have that yet.

BoomBoomsCousin · 14/09/2018 22:00

Not sure I agree that that would make much difference Cauliflower. A kid that's spoiling for a fight will hit someone who wants to walk away nearly as easily as someone who talks to them. Everything's a provocation.

MadMum101 · 14/09/2018 22:00

DS's primary school has an annual anti bullying event with parents and pupils teaching exactly that about the '"bystander' effect BoomBoom.

The OP's DS should be commended to standing up to a bully who gave his friend a black eye then called him a pussy afterwards. Whatever he said in no way asked for 5 punches in the face. I've seen it too often that secondary schools in particular are too understanding to the instigator rather than the victim.

DS was punished several times for 'retaliating' to bullying. As Christina says teachers don't want to be bothered to deal with it themselves.

Willow2017 · 14/09/2018 22:01

Questioning bulling statements made against others (as the OP's son did) is normally recommended behaviour to cut bullying in school isn't it? Everyone's responsible for creating an environment in which bullying isn't acceptable etc.
This is what kids are told to do at our local high school. Stand up to bullies, make them feel stupid by having to explain themselves as they have no explaination other than they have nothing smarter to say to anyone and they want to feel 'big'.

A school that contends someone who confronts bullying is a troublemaker and complicit in their own victimization seems unlikely to be very hot on actually dealing with bullying.

Exactly. And worrying that this has been so prevalent on this thread.

BoomBoomsCousin · 14/09/2018 22:01

Maisy while I agree most year 7s won't have such social skills, I don't think blanket advice to never engage will help them develop them (nor would blanket advice to challenge, though).

MaisyPops · 14/09/2018 22:05

boom
Blanket advice is rarely a good idea all the time.
I do think that advising younger students to get themselves and their peers out of a situation is the preferential option in the first instance.

We do anti bullying in PSHE and we talk about bystanders, how to challenge, how to get out the situation. As with a lot of situations, life is the great teacher really as what works in one situation may not work in another.

ChristinaMarlowe · 14/09/2018 22:07

Perhaps I'm misunderstanding you, Broken, if you mean mentioning to a teacher after class or going directly to the pastoral team/person that "so and so has been calling me this and it's upset me" or "I overheard kid A tell kid B this and I felt he was being threatened" then absolutely that's important - I read your previous comment as meaning that upon seeing this kid call the other kid a pussy he should run to the nearest member of staff to say "thingy just called matey a bellend" or whatever, which would frankly be a little immature if walking away or even trying to engage the other kid in a discussion re. why they felt that way we're options. Every situation is different of course. Plus I'm too tired to debate. I'm not suggesting these things aren't addressed, just that there's a fine line between reporting and tale telling!

ChristinaMarlowe · 14/09/2018 22:10

@MadMum101 🙄

namechanged0983 · 14/09/2018 22:19

@ButAIBUtho I can't believe everyone is saying you're BU. If that had happened to my son on school grounds (especially if he's in year 7) Id be furious. You expect your child to be safe and they should reassure you that that is the case.

heroindisguise · 14/09/2018 22:20

For fuck sake people, we're talking about a child being punched in the head area several times. Why the nonchalance towards this violence? It's terrifying to read some of these posts. He DID NOT do anything, nor have a "smart mouth" Confused
Easy to see why bullying is rife, violence is tolerated and victims blamed for attacks on them when these are the attitudes of parents....

namechanged0983 · 14/09/2018 22:27

Where does the OP say her son hit the boy first????

ButAIBUtho · 14/09/2018 22:30

It doesn't namechanged because he didn't. That's just some posters trying to goad me, because it's Mumsnet.

OP posts:
headbangez · 14/09/2018 22:39

Personally I would go directly to the police. It is a police matter as your child has been assaulted. I bet you his kid is already known to them.

I really feel for you and your child. I hope this gets resolved swiftly. Don't let it get brushed under the carpet. This is unacceptable.

Willow2017 · 14/09/2018 22:40

Well apparently asking why someone called your friend a name means you deserve a hammering.
Ok.

Pumpkintopf · 14/09/2018 22:41

Op you have absolutely not been unreasonable. The AHT has handled this situation incredibly badly. I would be contacting the Head Teacher in this situation as I would have lost all trust and confidence in the AHT.

I couldn't believe some of the horrible responses you've had on this thread. I hope the head manages to reassure you about your son's safety at school.

Bluecloudyskies · 14/09/2018 22:48

Your son should have walked away. He shouldn’t have made smart with his mouth

Wow.

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