To be heartened by the majority of comments on this article about leaving the EU?

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www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/no-deal-brexit-plans-revealed-13238820

So sick of people trying to talk this country down. Happy to see most people think this is pathetic scaremongering from bitter people that can’t get over that the vote didn’t go their way!

I love the ‘we made it through 2 world wars’.

Er, no we didn’t. The people who fought in those wars are all dead. I’m pretty sure most would be horrified that we’re choosing to leave a union that has been the biggest force for peace in Europe. Not to mention the Good Friday agreement and the peace that has brought. We’re destroying the legacy of those soldiers and civilians.

Brexiteer "we are going to climb Everest and claim the pot of gold on the top"

Remainer "errr, its cold and snowy, we will need coats and gloves"

Brexiteer " stop talking our expedition down"

Remainer " have you checked the weather forecast?"

Brexiteer " scare mongering"

Remainer " have you learnt how to climb? Do you even know the way"

Brexiteer " you are just being negative. Other people have climber Everest with no problems. British people have climber Everest in the past. We are going to be great Everest climbers again"

Remainer " but I think you need months to prepare and you need to be fit, and you need guides, and you need the right equipment, and a lot of people have died when they made mistakes, and there are dead bodies all over Everest, and I'm not even sure there is a pot of gold on the top"

Brexiteer "I'm not listening to you miserable remoaners any more. I've found a very heartening article right here, So sick of people trying to talk this expedition down. Happy to see most people think this is pathetic scaremongering from bitter people that can’t get over that the vote didn’t go their way!"

We did make it through 2 world wars you know

It's shit like this that makes me think brexiteers don't have 2 brain cells to rub together.

World wars are not even remotely comparable situations. Even if they were, the most recent was 70 years ago and the world is a vastly different place. We also wouldn't have made it through WW2 without US help (and without necessarily meaning to, Russia saved our ass too).

It's like saying 'we smashed those French fuckers at Agincourt, we can do it again'. Total non sequitur.

Brexit is not a war situation. It is an act of eceonomic (and cultural) self harm that we are hell bent on despite seeing clearly how much it will cost us. For no benefits that anyone can actually articulate.

YANBU for your feelings. I feel very differently. I know that in the event of a No Deal, 3 factories employing my friends and ex-colleagues, will relocate and more than 1000 people will most likely lose their jobs. The knock on effect in their towns will be devastating.

No amount of BTL comments will stop this or replace their wages or the revenue to the tax man. It's a three way monetary loss. So I am not heartened by the Internet ramblings under this article. I'm not really sure why you are OP. Do you know something that the rest of us don't?

All this time after the referendum and I've yet to see an intelligent post by a Brexiteer. Not a single fucking sensible post. Always some shite about making Britain great or not talking Blighty down. What a load of wank.

coldrain2018 Oxygen levels won't be a problem either, since we have the heart of a lion to call on.

And also, @coldrain2018 could I please borrow that for a different forum?

And also, @coldrain2018 could I please borrow that for a different forum?

yes sure, do anything you like with it - thank you for asking xx

If the standard of debate is ' trying to talk this country down' and 'bitter', then it explained why people voted for something that doesn't exist and they don't understand.
No one knew what 'Brexit' meant - and instead of demanding a factual explanation, they voted for it.

It also explains why people keep voting for austerity measures.
People don't understand how the economy in their own country works. That should be a concern.

OP

I made it a page in before the rent a mob arrived with their pitch forks.

I'm with you - there is nothing wrong with talking Britain up and the ones fretting on these kinds of threads need to get in the boat and start rowing, because this is the direction of travel whether they like it or not.

Upstartcrow

Brexit = total departure from the EU, reversion to WTO rules and renegotiation of trade with the EU and others.

But keep peddling they myth that 17 odd million had no idea what motivated them...

Brexit = total departure from the EU, reversion to WTO rules and renegotiation of trade with the EU and others.

Nonsense. That is pure conjecture.

Brexit was on the ballot paper. Nothing else. There was no clarification from official parties (and not many questions asked from the populace).

Only a mind reader could know what people were voting for. Do you claim to be that?

I'd love to know how many people who voted on the referendum actually understood what WTO rules were in June 2016. Or were even aware of the existence of the WTO.

Never been part of a mob, I don't own a pitchfork and no one has rented me. But I am intelligent enough to know that BTL comments don't put food on the table or money into the country's coffers.

Can you show me something concrete to be heartened by 10degreestostarboard? The OP certainly hasn't.

The thing is that we have to just go with it,it is happening whether we like it or not.Thiking you know what will happen,whipping up Scarey scenarios will not change anything apart from your blood pressure.
I'm certainly not going to fret about changing my passport early,paying £5ish to drive in the EU or not knowing about all the space debris coming down (since I know little about it now ).
Something's will change and people who like to grumble have years of material and can talk about the good old days.
I however will be making the most of my life whatever the circumstances,there really are worse things in life than Brexit.

If the standard of debate is ' trying to talk this country down' and 'bitter', then it explained why people voted for something that doesn't exist and they don't understand. No one knew what 'Brexit' meant - and instead of demanding a factual explanation, they voted for it.

It also explains why people keep voting for austerity measures.
People don't understand how the economy in their own country works. That should be a concern.

This ^

See also the fact that so many dismiss the concerns raised by Mark Carney, Governer of the Bank of England, and instead latch on to the fact that Maureen from Daventry and Bill from Spalding reckon it will all be ok, and we should just build it and they will come.

Laurie,

You mean as pure conjecture as knowing what a remain vote would mean in 20 years time? What will the EU look like then? Do you know?

People seem to forget that this was a one-time chance to exit a organisation that, if we aren't already, will be irrevocably tied to from here on.

there really are worse things in life than Brexit.

Well of course there are.

But the country actively voted to change the status quo for this. So you'd think they'd be hoping for more than 'worse things in life' from it.

You mean as pure conjecture as knowing what a remain vote would mean in 20 years time? What will the EU look like then? Do you know?

Worry about that in 20 years time. Nothing stays the same. You can't go back to 1974 that time is gone. Shape the EU by being an active member of it.

People seem to forget that this was a one-time chance to exit a organisation that, if we aren't already, will be irrevocably tied to from here on.

So leavers voted for the unknown, or rather to make the country poorer. You are not "tied" to the EU you are an active member of it.

@IheartNiles can you run for PM please?

You are wilfully missing the point - a remain vote was as much as a shot in the dark as a leave vote.

All you did was swap the short-term uncertainty of brexit for the long term uncertainty of remain.

While we are renegotiating trade with everyone- are you sure about food supply? How long will this renegotiating take? Are you sure we can strike "good deals" for Britain when we are on the back foot. Our largest market is right on our doorstep, the EU. We have to strike a deal with the EU , not just Poland or France or Italy. What bargaining chips do we have?

You are wilfully missing the point - a remain vote was as much as a shot in the dark as a leave vote.

No it wasn't. We know what we have with EU membership, having lived it for 40 years. Will the EU change moving forward? Almost certainly. Will EU member states shape that change? Yes.

All you did was swap the short-term uncertainty of brexit for the long term uncertainty of remain

Prior to 2016 I don't remember concerns about food and medicine shortages. Or whether planes would fly. According to one Brexiteer the benefits of Brexit will be felt in 50 years. Nobody can make a projection that far in advance but most of the people who voted for Brexit will be dead by then.

"You are wilfully missing the point - a remain vote was as much as a shot in the dark as a leave vote. "

It was a vote for the status quo and a veto over the shape of the future EU.

Why is the devil you don't know better?