To be heartened by the majority of comments on this article about leaving the EU?

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www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/no-deal-brexit-plans-revealed-13238820

So sick of people trying to talk this country down. Happy to see most people think this is pathetic scaremongering from bitter people that can’t get over that the vote didn’t go their way!

You can be as optimistic or as pessimistic as you like but that won't change the fact that the EU legislation affecting the way trade, transport, the environment, working standards, farming (to name but a few) all function in the UK, will no longer apply after we leave, with unpredictable consequences. It's nothing to do with human emotion; it's about laws governing the technicalities.

I'll try again.

Can anyone share any evidence that we have reason to be optimistic? If the sky is not about to fall in, what exactly does a post-EU future look like (short or long term will do, I'm not fussy)?

Christ, people are fucking thick. There is no ‘upside’ to house prices dropping 30%.
It's not a FACT that they'll drop, it's one person's OPINION. I'll refrain from calling you 'fucking thick' though...

The people who will suffer are low income individuals. So if you are low income and optimistic, I don’t know what to say. Just maybe prepare yourself and your family as much as possible now. Just in case....

a) train British workers so the country doesn't have to import people to do jobs

Yes! Unfortunately bursaries for trainee nurses were axed which led to a reduction in applications. There has been a 96% drop in applications from EU citizens. So whatever way you look at it the Tories have managed to fuck up everything. Kiss goodbye to the NHS.

pay them decent wages so that they can afford to live without being reliant on benefit top ups that all come from other taxpayers.

Nothing stopping busineses paying a fair wage but y'know capitalism.

Its not just one person’s opinion that the house prices will drop. The governor of the BoE is warning of this risk.

it's not a FACT that they'll drop, it's one person's OPINION

Yes, the governor of the Bank of England's opinion. In Brexit Britain we don't need experts. Just believe. Someone on an internet forum said so.

The thing is Nikephorus Mark Carney is the kind of expert in his field that has earned the right, based on considerable learning and evidence, to make these kinds of predictions with a high degree of certainty. Much like many of the other experts in their fields that Leave have branded Project Fear. What makes unqualified, largely uniformed people blindly predict that 'everything will be alright, don't worry!'? We allow our children to be taught by maths teachers. We allow our junior doctors to be mentored by consultants who are experts in their field. Why do Leavers think they know better than the UK's chief economist (as well as scientists and a multitude of other highly qualified, highly skilled and experienced people)?

The thing is the people who are going to be hit the hardest by Brexit are the poor, anyone who relies on benefits, including in work benefits, the low skilled, the elderly. Basically the muppets who voted for Brexit. I’m ok, I earn enough to be able to weather storm, I have enough disposable income to deal with inflation, but I fear for those who don’t.

I hope those optimists have a stash of food for shortages and are not standing outside the supermarket whining when the shelves run short.
Smile on my face but food stashed away.

surely it's best to be positive while ensuring that you have measures in place to cope with a reasonable worse-case scenario. Exactly the same as you should with any situation in life

Don't be fucking ridiculous!
Brexit isn't some natural disaster in which we can do nothing about!

This is something totally preventable, voted for by 17.2 million people out of an electorate of 46m.

Have you no idea what "economic disruption" means? even the likes of JRM, Boris, Farage etc accept there is a price to brexit!
Could you or your family manage with no income for 12months?

Acknowledging the effects are likely to be bad at least in the short or medium term isn't talking the country down. That's just a way of trying to silence opinions you dislike.

Everyone, no matter how they voted, should be questioning what the consequences of this process will be for them individually and the country as a whole. Dispassionately. The problem is a lot of people are emotionally invested in the process. That means some are hopeful it will fail (though a small minority presumably because they will be personally worse off in all likelihood - except JRM ) and some cannot bear to think that it might make things worse.

IheartNiles I heart your post. Spot on.

I've been mulling over scenarios to stop this.

1. TM rescinds A50 letter until... kick it into the long grass/whine about it /but don't actually go for it until we are more ready.
2. Labour makes the above a policy in a snap GE and, ifCorbyn is still leader, enough people are willing to hold their nose and vote Labour for them to form a government....

Ok ... we're screwed.

I swear they are ramping up the bad news now so that Theresa can just cancel the whole thing, putting the full blame on the EU.

If I were TM, I would pull the letter in the national interest and dare those fuckers to come after me.
Come and have a go if you rather think you are a bit hard enough.

I'll leave you to your wailing then folks. No skin off my nose if you want to surround yourselves with doom and gloom. I'll stay positive, plan for any likely eventuality that will affect me, and work out how I'm going to refrain from saying 'I told you so' when it's not that bad after all. We did make it through 2 world wars you know, and this time they won't be bombing us.....

Thanks max. I’m so cross. It’s like the millions of us who voted to remain and the I’m sure large proportion who voted leave expecting the country to be made richer as they were promised - are completely irrelevant. Theresa May in many ways is the worst of all worlds as she’s not a leader, not intuitive, and totally cloth earred to all common sense.

It won’t be ‘that bad after all’ Nike I totally agree with you. Because it’s not going to happen. The government have done nothing but prevaricate for 2 years because there is no solution to this mess other than soft brexit or cancel.

We did make it through 2 world wars you know in both cases with help from Russia and the USA - can't see either of them assisting us with our self-inflicted problem.

If I were TM, I would pull the letter in the national interest and dare those fuckers to come after me.Come and have a go if you rather think you are a bit hard enough.

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"We did make it through 2 world wars you know, and this time they won't be bombing us....."
That's just hilarious. I mean no one could say that and mean it. No one either old enough to have been through that or had parent old enough to have been through it. Surely a comical goad!

We did make it through 2 world wars you know, and this time they won't be bombing us.....

Oh god, here we go again with the old Blitz spirit. You are aware I hope that many of our fellow Europeans helped us win the war(s), thousands dying alongside us? And neither is it pure coincidence that we've maintained peace since then.