Racism threads.

[Cranberri]

Anyone else feel a bit uncomfortable with the spike in threads about racism? I don't mind a healthy debate about racism but many threads recently seem to have brought out the worst in people. Mnhq having to delete numerous comments due to racism. Ignorant or culturally unaware posters writing ridiculous posts that would simply not be accepted in day to day life. People claiming racism when it isn't.

I'm tired of it. Is anyone else tired of it? It's really draining...

I'm not claiming one to be worse than the other, however I think comparing attitudes towards travellers and attitudes towards BAME individuals in the way that it's being done on here is a false dichotomy. I don't think the two are the same and they need to be treated as separate issues.

@SpringSnow No, but posters stating that all travellers trespass and are criminals is.

Posters also fail to consider why illegal sites appear.

@Zampa they may well do but it is a seperate discusion unrelated to the one raised on here which is about the presence of posts attacking one particular group of people who are othered based on their skin colour.

There is only one proper context for “woke”
since the alternative use of the term is not widespread.

People are “othered? Even autocorrect is struggling with that g.

gem.

Rosetintedglasses454 If you read my original post, I think you'll see that I wasn't attempting to equate the racism experienced by BAME people to that experienced by the traveller community.

What I was attempting to do was empathise with the ignorance shown by vast sections of the MN community and the failure of MN to address the issues.

Racism is appalling whether it focuses on someone's skin colour, ethnicity or religion. I don't think you can address one injustice without considering others.

Aspenfrost woke in the sense of being awake to social and cultural issues is in the dictionary and has been for a while. They don't do that unless the alternative use is widespread. I call bullshit on you not being woke to that.

Rather depends on the calibre of the dictionary. I would never have call to use such a term and neither would most people. Language evolves, a word which connotes a considerable passage of time.

Othered and othering similar, Aspenfrost . Enough of the disingenuous derailing, if you'd rather discuss your tendency toward language Canutism than the actual thread topic how about you startvyour own thread?

Rather depends on the calibre of the dictionary. I would never have call to use such a term and neither would most people.

"The original meaning of woke is to awaken after sleep but the word now has other social connotations. "By the mid-20th century," says the Oxford English Dictionary (OED), "woke had been extended figuratively to refer to being 'aware' or 'well informed' in a political or cultural sense."
www.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/.../woke-and-post-truth-added-to-oxford-english-dictionary

Woke/SJW culture is bull shit anyway. It's adherents are basically daily mail readers with different targets.

@Zampa You can’t compare the 2. I was burgled by a couple of travelers on mother’s day Who also burgled 26 other houses that night. Feeling angry that instances like this are allowed to happen is not the same as tarring everyone with the same brush either.

Op I agree & I feel the same about disabilism on here too. As the mum of an autistic child I just avoid all the threads now as I’m done trying to explain to people why they deserve to live without being discriminated against. Sorry for getting OT btw.

Zampa understand where you're coming from on this.

Zampa many traveller communities are covered under the Equality Act, so blanket condemnation of travellers on MN is a form of racism, if MN doesn't respond to your reports, take it further. There are groups that compile information on areas where racism towards travellers is not taken seriously.

"Are all Gypsies and Travellers protected against race discrimination?
The courts have said that Romany Gypsies and Irish Travellers are protected against race discrimination because they’re ethnic groups under the Equality Act." www.citizensadvice.org.uk/law-and-courts/discrimination/protected-characteristics/gypsies-and-travellers-race-discrimination/

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Cranberri with all due respect the thread is titled 'racism threads' and doesn't specify BAME, and it's clear that the term racism can apply to posts involving travellers. So it doesn't seem unreasonable that Zampa should raise this issue under the terms of the thread.

Apologies for derailing this thread but @springsnow, fewer than a third of the required number of Gypsy and traveller pitches in England have been built. There are around 1,800 pitches despite a need for about 6,000.

@Mariatequila Some members of the travelling community are criminals. As are some black people, as are some Italian people, as are some people from Birmingham. The fact that you and @springsnow feel it's appropriate to make the comments that you are making show that racism towards the traveller community is alive and well.

I've got traveller friends and yes they experience just as much racism as they are discriminated against the minute they talk whereas black people can be discriminated the minute they are there. Ie they are black, a traveller can't necessarily be identified as such immediately. This the only difference I see between the two.

What people say about travellers is disgusting. What they say about black people is also disgusting.

Not sure how this relates to things that affect black people more like stop and search or like labelling crimes done by dark skinned Asians as black so crime stats are skewed.

Racism is everywhere in 2018.

flirtygirl ^racism is everywhere in 2018*

Yep, and thriving unchecked on mumsnet as evidenced by the usual suspects who jump into these threads to derail, deflect and diminish any discussion on racism experienced by BAME persons that might challenge their white 'I'm all right, Jack, so everyone else must be" world-view.

@Zampa genuinely wasnt criticising the issue you raised or suggesting a lack of empathy. I also agree that racism comes in many forms.
However as the initial discussion springing out of the ops post related to the recent spate of posts about gollywogs, the use of the word N. and victim blaming people who have been singled out due to their colour I felt the traveller community post (which to be honest I havent read) would require a different discussion around how MNHQ should address concerns.

I remember the thread about a woman asking what's ok to fees her Muslim guests for a bbq and it quickly escalated into how Islam is bad and blah blah blah. The poor OP just wanted recipes

as the initial discussion springing out of the ops post related to the recent spate of posts about gollywogs, the use of the word N. and victim blaming people who have been singled out due to their colour I felt the traveller community post (which to be honest I havent read) would require a different discussion around how MNHQ should address concerns.

This was my point. This thread was in relation to the increase in racist threads on mn. I am not minimising racism towards travellers. I don't condone hateful attitudes towards any community. I do believe that racism towards travellers because of the way they speak and their lifestyle is different than racism towards people because of their skin colour. You cannot address the two in the same way. I'm not saying racism doesn't exist towards travellers, it does. I've witnessed it with my own eyes and find it really quite saddening. It's not what I was referring to in this thread however people are open to address whatever they wish. I don't see racism towards travellers and racism towards people because of their skin colour as the same thing, regardless of them falling under the same term. No one is more abhorrent than the other but they simply cannot be addressed in the same way.