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This tweet from South Yorkshire Police...

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SunsetBeetch · 10/09/2018 08:04

It's batshit, right? And rather frightening. Seriously, Orwell could have written it.

"In addition to reporting hate crime, please report non-crime hate incidents, which can include things like offensive or insulting comments, online, in person or in writing. Hate will not be tolerated in South Yorkshire. Report it and put a stop to it #HateHurtsSY"

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UpstartCrow · 10/09/2018 10:25

MadameButterface No it isnt, you just made all of that up in your head.
Go and have a cup of tea and think about the effects your nasty words have on others while I fill out this report form.

Deadbudgie · 10/09/2018 10:29

Presumably if they have time for this they have a 100%clear up rate on actual crime?

MsMotherOfDragons · 10/09/2018 10:29

I actually think this is a pretty good idea. By logging hate incidents that aren't criminal, surely they're more likely to be able to track patterns and identify people who may be responsible for hate crimes too?

Mrsramsayscat · 10/09/2018 10:32

I like the sentiment. Good for the police. Whether it's practical or not is another thing.

MadameButterface · 10/09/2018 10:33

oh ok, what is it to do with then?

I get overly eyerolly when I see people moaning about snowflakes and thought crime I admit. it's like they live in a parallel universe - do people really think that racism and sexism and homophobia and disablism are consigned to the past and considered unacceptable now and you never come across them anymore so anyone concerned about tackling them is just being 'professionally offended'? hahaha sure jan

Foreverlexicon · 10/09/2018 10:37

They’re probably encouraging people to do it online because people will ring in to report it anyway (if they are so inclined). And then due to 101 call volumes, those kind of people give up and dial 999 instead..so they end up reporting someone calling them a ‘twat’ on 999.

Encouraging them to report it online would be a lesser evil than them reporting it on 999!

Justanotherlurker · 10/09/2018 10:39

I can say I don't like someone's ideology or don't agree with their politics but I can't call a woman a fat slag or a teenage girl a dirty little whore.

The latter 2 are abhorrent, but don't think they will not receive complaints about the former 2 either, everyone knows twitter is a cess pit.

Jux · 10/09/2018 10:40

1984 was a warning but is being treated as a handbook by the people who thought Winston Smith was the bad guy.

ShrodingersSturdyPyjamas · 10/09/2018 10:44

do people really think that racism and sexism and homophobia and disablism are consigned to the past

You will of course have picked up that the poster doesn't include sexism, but 'gender identity'.

So a man can tell a woman to go die in a fire, to kill themselves, well pick any random insult aimed at women; and that would not be a hate crime.

A woman can say 'hang on mate, you shouldn't be in the ladies with your penis and camera' and bingo - the South Yorkshire police will be right on it and you would be charged with said Hate Crime.

Justanotherlurker · 10/09/2018 10:50

do people really think that racism and sexism and homophobia and disablism are consigned to the past

There are specific laws around those, this is for reporting non-crimes, its thought policing.

IfIWasABirdIdFlyIn2ACeilingFan · 10/09/2018 10:53

I notice they don’t include sex in their list. Sexual orientation and gender identity. But not sex. Hmm

Batteriesallgone · 10/09/2018 10:57

Sexism is just lads being lads though right

Anyway we all know it’s womens fault, for existing in the first place. Especially in public

LEELULUMPKIN · 10/09/2018 11:03

MaryDollNesbitt. I'm in! How many acres would a fiver get me? :)

MadameButterface · 10/09/2018 11:10

You will of course have picked up that the poster doesn't include sexism, but 'gender identity'.

ahhhh right so this is a moan about trans ppl after all, and the pp who told me I had made that part up was having a bit of a gaslight moment? good to know

*So a man can tell a woman to go die in a fire, to kill themselves, well pick any random insult aimed at women; and that would not be a hate crime.

A woman can say 'hang on mate, you shouldn't be in the ladies with your penis and camera' and bingo - the South Yorkshire police will be right on it and you would be charged with said Hate Crime.*

this seems to have been made up or extrapolated somewhat. I expect death and rape threats are included in the umbrella of 'offensive and insulting comments' mentioned in this tweet that we are all falling over ourselves to find soooo ridiculous and unhelpful. maybe wait until it has been confirmed that they aren't before kicking off about it eh

Butteredparsn1ps · 10/09/2018 11:12

So Yorkshire Mumsnetters will now be able to log stuff with 101 ? Grin

ShrodingersSturdyPyjamas · 10/09/2018 11:18

this seems to have been made up or extrapolated somewhat.

Ask Posie Parker about that before you start saying it is made up.

Posie stated a fact, that a woman took her son to Thailand to get his penis removed as soon as he reached 16. Something that wasn't legal here and is now illegal in Thailand.

And for saying that fact, the SY police sent two officers to her house in the south west to investigate.

Not sure if she is even allowed to leave the country still.

SY police have been at the centre of much child abuse and seem only concerned with making sureen can continue that abuse.

So perhaps do a little brain work before you start to say it's made up. Because it really is not.

And no, sexism isn't included. Why do you think that is?

Pookydosa1 · 10/09/2018 11:19

Police are great at protecting corporate interests & not investigating real crimes.

IrmaFayLear · 10/09/2018 11:27

What constitutes a "South Yorkshire style" crime?

I knew someone would pick me up on this. I would say they were humourless, but doubtless they have 101 on speed dial.

Of course S Yorks has very serious crimes - and that is what they should be focusing on (and using hard-pressed funds for) rather than chasing up "non crimes". So I would say a "non crime" is a South Yorkshire style crime.

MadameButterface · 10/09/2018 11:27

poise Parker was questioned by West Yorkshire police, not South Yorkshire, so maybe do your own 'brain work' huh - this isn't anything to do with that

why do you think that sexist comments would specifically not be included under the umbrella of 'offensive or insulting comments'?

I think it's great that notts police trialled treating street harassment as a hate crime and it would have been interesting to hear more from Stella creasy on here about her plans to make misogyny a hate crime. it's a shame she was effectively no platformed by people who disagree with her views on other things. it reminded me of something but I can't quite think what

ShrodingersSturdyPyjamas · 10/09/2018 12:44

Pfftt...the apple doesn't fall far from the tree.

LoniceraJaponica · 10/09/2018 12:56

"I knew someone would pick me up on this. I would say they were humourless, but doubtless they have 101 on speed dial."

I have never rung 101.

Curently the police are investigating a murder that took place within half a mile of my house. You will forgive me for feeling humorless Hmm

Yvaine1 · 10/09/2018 13:03

A good reason to report a 'non-crime' hate incident is that it forms an evidential trail for criminal charges, for which one individual incident is insufficient.
The sneery attitude on this thread is childish.

Batteriesallgone · 10/09/2018 13:14

You don’t need to report it

Keeping a notebook of incidences is sufficient to build a case that someone is hostile towards you. Getting the police to do the record keeping for you is a bit lazy

MadameButterface · 10/09/2018 13:39

the apple doesn't fall far from the tree.

what does this mean in this context?

if you are going to tick people off for supposedly being uninformed, maybe work on checking your own facts, particularly when you're responding to a suggestion that there may perhaps be some knee jerking and hyperbole going on here.

MadameButterface · 10/09/2018 13:53

The sneery attitude on this thread is childish

I totally agree

valid and important stuff about women's rights coming into conflict with trans rights is being submerged under prurient flapping about anything and everything to do with trans people. if it protects trans people or is liked or supported by them then it must by default be Bad and Sexist Against Real Women is the knee jerk attitude, and people frankly look like ignorant twats when they start on like this. there is zero attempt to find common ground or reach a mutual understanding. this post will prompt squawks of 'yeah but yeah but, but one of them once said suck my lady dick/die in a fire' or the trump card 'oh hai poster x, can you define woman' but idgaf. the dialogue on this is depressing and bullish on both sides. sealioning, no platforming etc - bad behaviour when TRAs do it, but you all do it on here, all the lot of you. utterly ludicrous.