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20-year-old son doesn't want to grow up

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Loo18 · 09/09/2018 13:34

My 20-year-old son is clever, funny and can be kind and loving. However, he failed most of his GCSEs because he didn't turn up/revise and basically since then has done very little. He did a Duke of Edinburgh course when he was 16. He's had a few jobs in hospitality that he's left or been sacked from after a month or two because he fails to turn up/be on time/takes holidays and doesn't go back etc.

He lives at home and talks a good talk about setting up various businesses, getting interim jobs, making music -( he does do this).
He clearly craves my attention and loves nothing more than a day out with me and his younger sister (13-years-old). He has lots of friends and other people who meet him think he's funny and bright but just immature. People endlessly tell me to give him time.

I encourage him to look for work, have said I will support him (and pay for) him going back into education. However, he'd clearly prefer to play fortnite through the night in him room, sleep all day and then make encouraging noises about all the jobs he's applied for or interviews he's got but they rarely materialise if they existed at all.

Like his dad he knows how to emotionally manipulate me (I know he's doing it and it still ties me in knots) and often has very plausible reasons/excuses for not doing/doing something that once again means he's not working.

He received almost £30,000 from his dad;s estate earlier this year and spent it within four months (I asked his dad's family not to give it to him directly but they wouldn't listen).

He clearly can get jobs but can't/won't keep them and doesn't seem to understand that whatever his career choice in the future doing ANY job now is better than non from prospective employers point of view not to mention his own finances and self-esteem.

HOWEVER:
To set all this into context his dad was an emotionally abusive alcoholic and I didn't find the strength or have the resources to leave him until 7 years ago. He died a couple of years ago.

My daughter was born in 2005 and I now see my son felt abandoned not only by his dad (he had a poor relationship with my son and never spent any time with him just bought him lots of stuff) but also me, his mum.

Of course at the time I didn't see this and not a day goes by that I don't feel guilty for not only staying in such a dysfunctional relationship/bringing children into that relationship /not getting out and protecting the my son, and subsequently my daughter from it sooner.

The reality of living with an emotionally abusive partner and alcoholic also meant that I don't think I was the best parent. I'd also be over emotional and probably shouted at my son too much. I also hate myself for this too.

When I finally left that relationship - my son was then 13/14 - i soon met a lovely man (his daughter and my son were friends) who was understanding of mine and my kid's situ and caring.

I made a massive mistake of inviting him to move in with us while my son was on an extended holiday so when he came back, this new man (albeit one he had known for a couple of years) was in situ in our house.

Pair that with the typical troubled teen behaviour and several years of hate and interference of an alcoholic father in denial, and it was a toxic mix.

Fastforward to this year and my son and partner have a very on/off relationship. My son is still resentful that my partner is here doesn't hide that very well even when they are getting on. On the other hand my partner, unhindered by my guilt and motherly emotions, says I am allowing my son to get away with emotional manipulation and acting like a child when he should be embracing some aspects of adult-hood - ie getting a job and being thoughtful about the needs of others.

My son isn't inclined to listen much to him because the nature of my partners work means I am the chief breadwinner and my son says why should be listen to someone who isn't in his view fully paying his way.
My daughter has a good relationship with my partner but I see my son is trying to poison that too but emotionally manipulating her into believing he is the injured party. This really isn't true.
Sorry for the long post.
I don't even know what I'm asking tbh....I suppose I'm interested in thoughts and opinions from anyone who's been in a similar situ and if anyone can point me in the direction of professional help that will make me stronger to deal with my son's manipulation.
Unfortunately we live in London were rent is so high that simply paying a month's rent and deposit on a room for him and kicking him out isn't really an option - but all suggestions very gratefully received. This is the first time I've ever posted here - please be gentle.

OP posts:
Chicky78 · 09/09/2018 18:13

We all have made mistakes. But now at this stage , its harsh to tell ur boy to leave home. He strictly should be told to get a job and stick to it!Kids have easily learnt how to manipulate parents and they that very well! But not when he is 20 now..

immortalmarble · 09/09/2018 18:18

It doesn’t abacucat

Sarahandduck18 · 09/09/2018 18:23

Spending £250 a day for 4 months sounds like a coke habit to me.

I wouldn’t let someone who was doing this live under the same roof as my younger dc. Not taking it at home doesn’t mean it’s not in his possession in your home.

abacucat · 09/09/2018 18:32

But he won't get a job unless he is forced to. There has to be a consequence.

GreenTulips · 09/09/2018 18:34

I'm cross because I think the OP's son is in pain. Young people don't normally behave like this

He's addicted to his XBox - like any addict he needs help and if OP cuts the Internet he'll have to have down time

abacucat · 09/09/2018 18:35

Yes he is in pain. Lots of young people are in pain. Spending all night playing games is not the answer.

SpringSnow · 09/09/2018 18:52

All of the people talking tough on this thread, I wonder:
A) Would they take this approach with their own kids?
B) Would they be saying the same if OP had a daughter, not a son?

roxyro · 09/09/2018 18:53

lljkk "Too nice"?? Are you for real?

Lyinglow50 · 09/09/2018 18:53

Spending all his time on gaming is definitely not the answer. If it was so easy to stop doing harmful things there would be no addicts and we would all be at our best all of the time.

Look around lots of people are not coping. Making him homeless to try to make him cop on is not the answer.

Hopefully he will get some support.

Elephant14 · 09/09/2018 18:54

So OP, do you think that moving your partner in was a good thing to do? If not, are you saying you feel guilty over it? Do you think that might have been wrong? And that your son was hurt?

Or have you let go of that guilt, if it was ever there? Or would like to?

Maybe you could actually say to your son that you made a massive mistake? That you understand why he was fucked up as a teenager? I am not surprised at how he is given all the circumstances. Maybe sort some of that out and way forward with him getting job etc will become clear. But I don't think that there is an excuse here for you to hang on to or that you are somehow indulging him in order to assuage your guilt.

HeebieJeebies456 · 09/09/2018 18:56

OP, you continually made excuses for your abusive ex and put up with his shit for too long - you are now repeating that dynamic with your son.

"my son says why should be listen to someone who isn't in his view fully paying his way.....On other occasions he says things like 'to be honest mum I don't want to listen to the advice of someone who's shoes I wouldn't want to be'*
I bet his dad was hypocritical, emotionally abusive and passive aggressive too.

Stop making excuses for this selfish man-child.
Stop allowing normal guilt to mask your own codependency issues and martyr complex.
You need to show him tough love and give him a deadline to move into a house-share.....maybe sleeping rough will give him the kick up his ass that he needs.

abacucat · 09/09/2018 18:58

No not making him homeless. Finding a room and paying two months rent. That is not making him homeless, but is giving him somewhere to live, and a few months to sort out at least benefits.
Because without consequences, nothing will change.

Elephant14 · 09/09/2018 18:58

maybe sleeping rough will give him the kick up his ass that he needs.

I've never seen such a stupid remark and that's insulting to those who work trying to get homeless young people off the streets - there are many young people on the streets and liable to stay there because their parents threw them out.

Utterly contemptible Heebie

Whatevszz · 09/09/2018 18:59

You should take yourself and son away for week just the two of you. Talk about the past and the future as the opportunity arises. Tell him what you've told us.

immortalmarble · 09/09/2018 19:24

Finding him a room won’t magically change his outlook but it will contribute to any feelings he may have about being unwelcome in his own family.

Lyinglow50 · 09/09/2018 19:24

Sleeping rough is just what he needs! Are you crazy? How about trying to instill some confidence into him, get some training, get a job.

My God I worry about my adult children who are 19 & 21 and they are not homeless. If they were homeless I would be completely beside myself.

I hope the OP has got support from this thread and they find a way forward.

Ch33secake17 · 09/09/2018 19:40

I calculate it would take him, if he lived at home and continued not to pay and not spend much 3-4 /5 years to save up 30k. We all know that 30k could have been spent buying; a house in a cheaper part of UK, a camper van, a year traveling round the world, start up a business, spend some and save some or to fund some further education or training. However, the money is probably gone and perhaps are some of his so called friends too. Is he claiming job seekers or Universal credit, because he should if he is not working, because his NI stamp will be paid. He will also have to show proof that he is job searching. Of course a young, healthy person should be working. However, you are providing everything that he needs. At 20, you can probably bear with the situation, but at 25, 30 it is not fair for you to be doing all the work and providing. As I have said before, I worked 3 jobs at once to save up and didn't live at home. It is sad that he seems to have no interests or motivation to progress. I am sure that you can talk to him, until you can't talk anymore, but he has to learn from his own mistakes. I would start charging him a small amount of rent. He currently has zero responsibility.

Elephant14 · 09/09/2018 19:55

I made a massive mistake of inviting him to move in with us while my son was on an extended holiday so when he came back, this new man (albeit one he had known for a couple of years) was in situ in our house. - so doing the math, this was when he was in year 9 or 10, and then in year 11 he failed his GCSEs?

Nightmanagerfan · 09/09/2018 19:59

If you are in London I suggest he signs up for the spear programme - helps get 16-24s into work with lots of focus on mindset, attitude etc. Really supportive but challenging environment. Join Spear.org

Nightmanagerfan · 09/09/2018 19:59

Sorry joinspear.org

shockthemonkey · 09/09/2018 20:00

OP, not all therapy takes over the past. Find someone who does CBT and/or TA and get yourself and your son on a journey of healing. Family therapy is the way forward. You’ll be given tasks and homework all concentrating on getting your son off the sofa and into the real world.

shockthemonkey · 09/09/2018 20:00

Rakes not takes

shakeyourcaboose · 09/09/2018 20:01

How is your 13 yo daughter coping with all of this? Am assuming that they are full sibs as if have read correctly you were with DS's dad till 7 years ago? If so did she get 30k too?

Atalune · 09/09/2018 20:11

I can’t get past the squandering of £30k!

You’ve been given a lot of good advice here.

What’s done is done, time to cut those apron strings.

Goth237 · 09/09/2018 20:22

You're making a serious rod for your own back. He's a victim as long as you allow him to be one. You say that you've talked to him like an adult and he'll say all of the right things but nothing comes of it. Well, then there are consequences when nothing comes of it. Don't let him get away with that.

@Singlenotsingle I guess what happens is that DS is going to have to grow up, fast, and stand on his own two feet! You're doing him no favours by having him at home. It will be a massive shock when he's all alone and has no-one to turn to. You need to insist on a rehabilitation facility and then make him start acting his age. All you're doing, by allowing him to stay at home and not have a job, is creating an unrealistic lifestyle. He's living in a bubble and has no reason to do anything to change- why would he? He's got it good right now. No responsibilities. You're making it tougher on him and yourself.