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20-year-old son doesn't want to grow up

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Loo18 · 09/09/2018 13:34

My 20-year-old son is clever, funny and can be kind and loving. However, he failed most of his GCSEs because he didn't turn up/revise and basically since then has done very little. He did a Duke of Edinburgh course when he was 16. He's had a few jobs in hospitality that he's left or been sacked from after a month or two because he fails to turn up/be on time/takes holidays and doesn't go back etc.

He lives at home and talks a good talk about setting up various businesses, getting interim jobs, making music -( he does do this).
He clearly craves my attention and loves nothing more than a day out with me and his younger sister (13-years-old). He has lots of friends and other people who meet him think he's funny and bright but just immature. People endlessly tell me to give him time.

I encourage him to look for work, have said I will support him (and pay for) him going back into education. However, he'd clearly prefer to play fortnite through the night in him room, sleep all day and then make encouraging noises about all the jobs he's applied for or interviews he's got but they rarely materialise if they existed at all.

Like his dad he knows how to emotionally manipulate me (I know he's doing it and it still ties me in knots) and often has very plausible reasons/excuses for not doing/doing something that once again means he's not working.

He received almost £30,000 from his dad;s estate earlier this year and spent it within four months (I asked his dad's family not to give it to him directly but they wouldn't listen).

He clearly can get jobs but can't/won't keep them and doesn't seem to understand that whatever his career choice in the future doing ANY job now is better than non from prospective employers point of view not to mention his own finances and self-esteem.

HOWEVER:
To set all this into context his dad was an emotionally abusive alcoholic and I didn't find the strength or have the resources to leave him until 7 years ago. He died a couple of years ago.

My daughter was born in 2005 and I now see my son felt abandoned not only by his dad (he had a poor relationship with my son and never spent any time with him just bought him lots of stuff) but also me, his mum.

Of course at the time I didn't see this and not a day goes by that I don't feel guilty for not only staying in such a dysfunctional relationship/bringing children into that relationship /not getting out and protecting the my son, and subsequently my daughter from it sooner.

The reality of living with an emotionally abusive partner and alcoholic also meant that I don't think I was the best parent. I'd also be over emotional and probably shouted at my son too much. I also hate myself for this too.

When I finally left that relationship - my son was then 13/14 - i soon met a lovely man (his daughter and my son were friends) who was understanding of mine and my kid's situ and caring.

I made a massive mistake of inviting him to move in with us while my son was on an extended holiday so when he came back, this new man (albeit one he had known for a couple of years) was in situ in our house.

Pair that with the typical troubled teen behaviour and several years of hate and interference of an alcoholic father in denial, and it was a toxic mix.

Fastforward to this year and my son and partner have a very on/off relationship. My son is still resentful that my partner is here doesn't hide that very well even when they are getting on. On the other hand my partner, unhindered by my guilt and motherly emotions, says I am allowing my son to get away with emotional manipulation and acting like a child when he should be embracing some aspects of adult-hood - ie getting a job and being thoughtful about the needs of others.

My son isn't inclined to listen much to him because the nature of my partners work means I am the chief breadwinner and my son says why should be listen to someone who isn't in his view fully paying his way.
My daughter has a good relationship with my partner but I see my son is trying to poison that too but emotionally manipulating her into believing he is the injured party. This really isn't true.
Sorry for the long post.
I don't even know what I'm asking tbh....I suppose I'm interested in thoughts and opinions from anyone who's been in a similar situ and if anyone can point me in the direction of professional help that will make me stronger to deal with my son's manipulation.
Unfortunately we live in London were rent is so high that simply paying a month's rent and deposit on a room for him and kicking him out isn't really an option - but all suggestions very gratefully received. This is the first time I've ever posted here - please be gentle.

OP posts:
Thatsfuckingshit · 09/09/2018 16:21

Lisabel Yes, he is rude.

Mummyoflittledragon · 09/09/2018 16:29

I also agree he is rude. For starters telling his mother what she has built (despite keeping a roof over his head and food in his belly and much more besides I’m sure) is unsatisfactory, is breathtakingly rude.

MaryBoBary · 09/09/2018 16:29

I understand he has had struggles, but as others have said, he is now a man and needs to act like one. £30k in 4 months is shocking.

What are his friends doing? Are they all still at home? Is the thought of a house share with his friends not appealing? Have you suggested it?

No more excuses. The past is the past. He has shown you massive disrespect and rudeness in his comments. What is his response when he says he wants to earn more money and you ask him how he is going to do that? Does he think with no qualifications and a poor employment history that anyone would want to employ him in a high earning position? He needs taking down a peg or two OP for your sake. In another 6/7 years you could have 2 adult children sponging off you... don’t let him set a precedent for his sister.

SusanWalker · 09/09/2018 16:30

What about seeing if he will do something like the prince's trust. It might not him out of his rut. Also I know my DS will take advice from other people that he would never take from me. Having a mentor outside the family might make a big difference.

Lyinglow50 · 09/09/2018 16:38

The OP said she's the chief breadwinner and said her son has said that he doesn't think that his mum's partner is fully paying his way.

If that's the case it is a bit rich of her partner to get on her son's case. He's 20, he's not supposed to be a breadwinner.

I'm cross because I think the OP's son is in pain. Young people don't normally behave like this. They generally get on with things with a bit of encouragement. His behaviour is worrying and it saddens me because he did not get sufficient support from the adults in his life.

I'm so far away from being the perfect parent. One of my kids is almost the same age as the OP son. Sadly they are experiencing mental health problems and their development has been delayed too. Ive made loads of mistakes but honestly I try to put my kids first. I probably go in the opposite direction and try too hard (which probably isn't effective either).

I think parents need to take blame where it's warranted. Genuinely acknowledging mistakes can be really cathartic for everyone involved.

I just feel so sorry for him. He didn't get support he needed when he was young.

Lyinglow50 · 09/09/2018 16:54

Susan brilliant idea!

SpringSnow · 09/09/2018 16:58

Is everyone missing the bit where you moved your partner into your son's home whilst your son was on holiday and your partner gives minimal contribution and gets on your sons case for doing the same

Quite. And apparently the partner's hypocrisy is ok too.

bridgetreilly · 09/09/2018 17:02

£30k in FOUR months, without paying rent/mortgage?

You need to stop enabling him. He's had plenty of chances. And yes, he's had some things tough, but letting him freeload is not helping him at all.

Start charging him rent. Commercial rent. And a contribution to bills/food/etc. Make it clear that if he does not pay, he will not get access to things like food/wifi/heating/laundry. Do not get caught up in his talk about music etc. It's up to him to get a job and pay the money.

If you want to be kind (which I think you do), simply save the money he pays you until there is enough for a deposit and a month's rent and bills. Then kick him out, but pay for those things for him. After that, he's on his own. Do not hand him any more money.

bridgetreilly · 09/09/2018 17:04

Oh, and re. education. If you do the above, and in a year or two he comes to you and says he's ready for uni, then you can think about helping. But not now.

And yes, pp's are quite right about your partner, too. Start charging him rent and bills. And tell him to lay off your son. You deal with your son, not him. This is your problem and you are the one who needs to fix things.

GertrudetheFifth · 09/09/2018 17:04

Would something gap yearish where he learns to take responsibility be of interest to him? It might give him a fresh start and time to think. Expensive though. Something like these:

www.outwardbound.org/classic/pathfinder-expeditions/

AlmaGeddon · 09/09/2018 17:06

I was going to suggest volunteer work at homeless shelter. Not too demanding, probably forgiven if he turns up late etc Just to get him mixing with people, my friends son was a disaster but works with 'bad' boys. He seems to relate to them and has patience others don't.
If he hasn't studied for exams etc most apprenticeships will seem boring to him.
I wonder if the 'nothing he likes better than a day out with you and his sis' isn't more manipulation of you.

MinisterforCheekyFuckery · 09/09/2018 17:16

He sounds breathtakingly arrogant... telling you he doesn't want to take advice from you because you're not successful enough but he's happy to spend your money! He clearly has no respect for you and while I completely understand the reasons you've been overcompensating for his difficult childhood, I'm sure he knows full well that this is what's going on and is using it to his advantage. Those posters saying he deserves a break because of what he's been through, at what age do you think it will stop being acceptable for his childhood to be used as an excuse for not working...25? 30? 40? There will come a day when OP is no longer around and her DS is a grown man with no qualifications, skills or employment history who suddenly needs to fend for himself and hasn't a clue how. Any inheritance he gets he'll just piss up the wall like he did the last lot because he's never had to learn how to manage money. What will happen to him then? OP isn't doing him any favours in the long run by enabling him to live in a state of perpetual adolescence. The only way he's going to be motivated to get a job is if his current living situation gets a lot less attractive, and fast.

Battytwatty · 09/09/2018 17:19

He needs a kick up the bloody backside imo

He may be clever, funny. kind etc but he’s also a lazy sod.

Plenty of people have bad childhoods, doesn’t mean they get to behave like children for the rest of their lives. Stop beating yourself up about the past too. It’s done, I’m sure you have apologised enough

And that remark about taking advice from you...... I’d have put my son through a wall for that ,the CF!

firsttimebabybirther · 09/09/2018 17:22

I can't stand when ADULTS , which is what your son is , blame their laziness on a terrible childhood. I think you need to tell him to grow up and get a grip , I'm close in age to your son and I can't ever imagine any of my peers behaving like this.

I have a baby, a long term partner , moved 500 miles away from home at 17 , work in a management position and have just had an offer accepted on a family home. Yes , I sound like a show off dick but I had shit school results and a shittier upbringing but I'm an adult now and unfortunately "my childhood was a bit hard" doesn't cut it in the real world Hmm

Seriously , you're doing him more harm than good by allowing this and making excuses for him.

YearOfYouRemember · 09/09/2018 17:27

I'm sorry for all you've been through but enough already. He's 20. Younger men are fighting for our country and he's sounded away £30k in four months. Time to get tough and mean it otherwise you're paying for your Not Bad choices for ever.

Lyinglow50 · 09/09/2018 17:29

Some people just aren't as robust as others. With a mixture encouragement and pressure he will hopefully change things for the better.

Twillow · 09/09/2018 17:35

I have read the whole thread with extreme interest as there are so many parallels to my life here, OP. It's brave of you to come on and tell a very comprehensive story, especially as there are so many people 'helpfully' telling you that they lived in a cardboard box and still got their gcse's etc.
I have some tough decisions to make with my eldest who I love to bits but can be very hard work and echoes the behaviour of an abusive ex at times, can be lazy and arrogant and gets extremely resentful towards the younger sibling. Loves my attention and company too! Fortunately is now working at a permanent job and it has been a great morale boost - but we also had a phase of escapism coasting along self-medicating with social media/games before that. I have just been looking at the koala router for the youngest!!
Currently the eldest and I are both drafting domestic contracts as it got to a point where none of us were happy. It was interestingly enough my eldest's idea. There is a timescale by which moving out will be an option if there is no improvement - I would be supporting with this not kicking out! We are both offering to meet each other in the middle and thinking of rewards and sanctions for goals/agreed actions.
Counselling HAS been very useful to both of us separately in the recentish past, we are now thinking of going together.
Pm me by all means if you want to.

Thatsfuckingshit · 09/09/2018 17:37

The OP said she's the chief breadwinner and said her son has said that he doesn't think that his mum's partner is fully paying his way.

Yes. Her 20 year old son, who can't hold a job down, blew through 30k in a couple of months, thinks his mum's life is beneath him etc.....thinks her Dp doesn't pay his own way.

Where as the op has simply said, that her Dp earns less.

Not really going to the jump to the conclusion that this 20 year old has a realistic view of the situation.

ragged · 09/09/2018 17:37

Perils of having a good trust fund...
He sounds wonderfully charming.

What do you really want, OP? What one change would you like to happen this week?

ThistleAmore · 09/09/2018 17:38

There are two ways to spend £30k in four months: one is to make a big ticket purchase such as a car or house deposit, and the other is to have a semi-professional recreational drug habit.

OP, I'm afraid you are delusional if you think your son isn't taking A LOT of drugs. I'm going to guess at coke.

immortalmarble · 09/09/2018 17:38

I read threads like this with the default of throwing the wayward son/daughter out and I honestly don’t know what people think this will achieve.

lljkk · 09/09/2018 17:53

He sounds too nice for cocaine, more like a pothead. I can't smell it myself so thank goodness DC all tut-tut and think MJ is ridiculous.

Rebecca36 · 09/09/2018 17:59

Does your son have any intense hobbies or burning ambitions? Some youngsters work away at those (with future career in mind), whilst neglecting routine school work. Sometimes it works out! I am thinking of one boy that I know quite well who spent more than three years 'working' on his own stuff, then took off and has a brilliant career.

I'm appalled he went through £30,000 in four months. What on earth did he spend it on?

abacucat · 09/09/2018 18:07

Its not about punishing him. Simply that some of us recognise that if things don't change soon, this pattern could carry on for years.
Perhaps OP you could do the Womens Aid Freedom Programme?

abacucat · 09/09/2018 18:08

immortal It forces them to change.

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