To be heartened to see so many European flags...

[Sarahlou63]

at the Last Night of the Proms? Love the music and general English nuttiness of the concert but really pleased to see so many European flags and hats.

I find the Last Night of the Proms and many of the patriotic songs sung utterly unpalatable since the referendum. Embarrassing in fact. I feel no pride in being British any more... it's something to apologise for amongst European friends and neighbours in this cosmopolitan corner of London.
So I'm delighted to hear there was protest at the Royal Albert Hall.

@5Yearplan4000 please don't succumb to "irrational positivity" now.

The words of Dr Liam Fox today.

It's looking really great. Even the leading Brexshitters are warning how shit it's going to be.

Suckers.

jane1956, why can people not be patriotic and want to be in the EU at the same time? After all, we've managed it for 45 years so far.

I feel no pride in being British any more... it's something to apologise for amongst European friends and neighbours in this cosmopolitan corner of London

Ok I normally avoid Brexit threads because of all the petulance but this comment is just bizarre!

Do you think all people from Iraq and Syria should apologise for Daesh?
Everyone from Afghanistan should apologise for the Taliban?
Russians should apologise for Putin?

Do you see what an pompous arse you look like?

I have no idea why people can't be patriotic and support remaining in the EU.

Unless you have of course conflated patriotism with nationalism.

@scaryteacher "whilst it is accepted that there are valid reasons for remain, the same courtesy isn't afforded to those of us that voted leave,"

Ok off you go then, we'll all listen. Valid reasons only though no racism you don't want to give the cause a bad name.

SlartiAardvark can join in with her thoughts as well.

Brexiters tell us they have brilliant arguments they just never actually tell us what they are.

We're waiting.

Ah, Moussemoose, you’ve killed the thread .

Don’t worry Brexit folks, we don’t expect an answer so you can get back to telling us that we lost and should get over it, or behind it, or whatever.

🤣🤣🤣🤣

Suckers!

I had one, but only because they gave them out for free! The others you had to buy.

Oh, I didn't go the Last Night. We went to the Party in the Proms and there were people out there everywhere handing out the free EU flags. So I assume they did the same for the Last Night of the Proms.

Completely ignore me. I see this have already been covered. I need coffee.

Don't want to derail the thread but that blue flag is not the European flag...in reality it's the new German flag,ergo the only "suckers" are those non-Germans waving it. Don't believe me? Just look at the import/export relationship between Germany and every other EU country

for Pendeen.

I think her post deserves the whole packet.

I was sniggering gently when I heard on the News that prominent Brexit supporters criticising the Chequers agreement had refused to say what they would do instead, claiming that it's up to the government to come up with alternatives. It's such an exact reflection of what Brexit supporters on this thread (and indeed everywhere else) are doing.

prominent Brexit supporters criticising the Chequers agreement had refused to say what they would do instead, claiming that it's up to the government to come up with alternatives

What do they think the Chequers agreement is? It's the government trying to come up with a plan.

The fact that they don't like the plan is neither here nor there, if they think it's up to the government and they're not part of the government.

I find it very odd that some, (many), people say that Brexiteers are racist, yet the UK has no significant vote for far-right nationalist parties. Whereas in Europe, a considerable percentage do vote for them:

www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-36130006

Does UKIP not count, then? Or are they the naice version of the far right?

bellini

Was that question for me?

UKIP is a far right party.

The reason why people don't vote en masse for parties other than the Tories or Labour is because they know their votes won't count for anything, due to our unrepresentative, undemocratic first past the post system. In the much more democratic European Parliament elections, UKIP were the biggest vote winners. [/irony]

Far right parties get plenty of votes in Europe, but they aren't allowed to dictate public policy because those countries have better functioning democratic systems with built-in safeguards against extremism.

Ethel

Really?

I would suggest you read the report I gave the link for. Policies on immigration are being changed.

Why has the UK been excluded from the analysis in that BBC article?

Also, "leaving the EU and ending free movement of people" is just about the biggest change in national immigration policy that any European country has seen for quite some time.

You would need to ask the BBC. But in 2017 UKIP got 1.8 % of the vote.

Dealt with that in my comment about the first past the post system.