To think the deliberate targeting of disabled people is idealogical and reminiscent of the 3rd reich?

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Friends and I were discussing the current government's treatment of the disabled and I heard ANOTHER harrowing story. Her friends has multiple disabilities, cannot walk and relies on painkillers to make life tolerable. After her last assessment this woman was deemed fit to work and was told by a non medical professional (AKA administrator) that she didn't need medication. Her financial support was removed and now she has nothing whilst she stages an appeal.

The trouble is the government has scrapped a scheme which got disabled people into work. My good friend's sister has quite severe learning disabilities but was very happy in her job in a café until the government scrapped the scheme. Another thing we can thank Cameron for. She was devastated and wanted to work as it gave her self esteem.

So we have double standards here. We are being told to get jobs or loose benefits yet jobs are being cut.

AIBU to feel that humanity has learned nothing from history lessons at school and during a financial crisis we are keen to scapegoat others (disabled, jews etc.) Seems like most people don't want to help others as 'they work hard and why should they pay taxes?'

Someone will probably come along to say that Corbyn is an anti semite but the Nazis were anti disabled and wanted to squeeze them out of existence. So are the Tories. Is this an example of political gaslighting , cognitive dissonance or projection I wonder?

I worry about this. I have 2 dc with complex needs who have recently been turned down for dla at renewal. They are ok at the moment because I can look after them but when I am too old to care for them they will be screwed as the government doesn't think either of them are disabled.

It certainly feels like it at times. I am absolutely appalled at what some people have been through and that there have been so many suicides. It's inexcusable

Having had recent experience attempting to claim PIP I have come to the conclusion that you'd need to be a complete psychopath to work for the DWP and their outsourced henchmen so yes I totally agree with you.

I have been shouted down in this place for years for saying such things. But yes, it's true. MiL is currently looking after a friend with terminal cancer. The woman's benefits were stopped last month as she was deemed fit to work because she's at home and can make a cup of tea. She can't toilet herself, or leave the house unaccompanied. Can barely eat and is on permanent oxygen. She will not last more than a couple of months, but despite evidence from consultants etc. She is apparently fit for work.

I agree , I worry for my son who has severe autism and is non verbal. He's still at school but if the Tory's stay in power god knows what will happen . We know we will always have to take care of him regardless of what he will be entitled to in the future.

The local hospice is having to do referrals to the food bank. It’s terrible at the moment.

No that would be the hatred towards Jews

And that would be labour

YANBU. This Govt couldn’t give a stuff about our children with SEN or any disabled adult.

I despair of the able bodied giving a stuff about it though as they willingly vote these fuckers in again and again,

discrimination against disabled people is becoming very common in social housing.

www.salfordstar.com/article.asp?id=4082

Try being disabled before sharing such stupid things fishgut

Honestly you have NO idea what it’s like for disabled folk in poverty relying on government help. It’s fuck all to do with the labour anti semitism row so fuck off and post your stupid comments elsewhere.

YANBU OP, YANBU at all

The fact that the UK has been condemned by both the UN and Amnesty International for its treatment of disabled people says it all

But yes, it's true. MiL is currently looking after a friend with terminal cancer.

That can't be right. Terminal cancer diagnoses come with guaranteed benefits.

Not that I agree with how the DWP work as somebody who's disabled with fibro and arthritis at 24. I don't know how they expect me to work 8 hour days for the rest of my life when I can't even stand for half an hour without crying.

And re. public transport After standing up for herself after the discriminatory way she was treated this mobility scooter user was subjected to online bullying and abuse from Northern Rail employees.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/3333015-Another-train-company-Another-mobility-scooter-user

Terminal cancer (or any other disease) only gets automatic benefits if you have less than 6 months to live. If, like me, you have an open ended terminal diagnosis, you don't.

That can't be right. Terminal cancer diagnoses come with guaranteed benefits.
Not any more they don't.

Yanbu. People don't realise there is no safety net any more.

The govt also scrapped the schemes that supported people in setting up their own small business.

Fishgut, the Third Reich targeted other groups as well. Homosexuals, those with disabilities, Roma & Sinti, political dissidents.

I have a friend who died recently. Terminal cancer. Less than 6m to live.
Had the most appalling time trying to get benefits while going through chemo. Absolutely disgusting.

I have a lifetime award of DLA at hte highest level for both mobility and care. They've just written to me saying it is stopping and i have to apply for PIP. My very experienced CAB Head advisor says that they stop everything for everyone and rely on a certain proportion 'giving up' the fight for PIP or simply dying in the meantime.

I have a child dx'd with Autism. I dont think i've the strength to apply for him.

You're not wrong, but just mentioning the third reich in relation to the current situation will people shouting you down as overdramatic and exaggerating. I'll probably get shouted down for this but I don't care anymore, personally I think the Nazis were just a little kinder to disabled people than this current government. Because at least the Nazis made no pretence of their hatred, there was no mind games or making you wait to hear your fate, they just killed you and it was done and over with. Sometimes I honestly wish this government would be that honest with their hatred, I've only been through the PIP appeals process once and I feel like it's broken me. The tribunal was fair (well apart from the three year award - apparently there's going to be a cure for autism in three years, who knew) but it took almost a year to get to that point, and I don't think I can deal with it again. Funnily enough they ended up costing the government even more money because of their lies, not just with the appeals process but because the whole thing made me actively suicidal. Strange thing that, I'd been on a never ending waiting list before that, but try to kill yourself once and for about five minutes they actually care. Yeah, they don't care about the long-term, all they care about is that you don't try to kill yourself again. They do just enough to stop you from doing that, why I don't know. They might as well not have bothered, being alive just guarantees you have to do this crap all over again.

Ironically enough the fact I'm interested in history (my special subject is Nazi Germany and German history in general) was actually used against me at my PIP assessment, the assessor's reasoning was that because I was intelligent and had a good memory I couldn't possibly have any difficulty with every day tasks.
They also came to the conclusion that I "displayed no social problems" and if that were true it would make my autism diagnosis a bit of a mystery then wouldn't it?
Oh and if you don't have any support because of your disability they take that to mean you don't need any, when actually it just doesn't fucking exist, where I live you can only get help as an autistic adult if you have an IQ below 70, regardless of your level of ability to deal with everyday tasks.

You know when you call to apply for PIP and you say you have autism they say back "oh you mean severe autism?" See what they're doing there, trying to trick and manipulate people into believing that PIP is only for the "really disabled/badly affected/severe" people.

Sorry for the self pitying rant, I'm just really angry about this stuff. I'm in the process of doing my best to help a relative through their PIP application, and trying to explain it to them is soul destroying. They rightfully can't understand why they have to go through this, nor why they need "recent evidence" of their disability. They have learning difficulties, that's never going to change, yet here they are attempting to gather evidence proving that no, their IQ hasn't magically gone up in the past five years.

I stand by my point that this government is worse than the Nazis in regards to their attitudes to disabled people, this process isn't saving them money, it's not getting rid of claimants who were wrongly entitled, it's just one big exercise in cruelty and futility. I wonder how much does a tribunal cost in regards to actually paying out for DLA or PIP for a year?

If any of you think there are any parallels with the ‘third reich’ then you need to go back to school...

This government are a bunch of crooks that do not value any vulnerable individuals or support systems they depend upon. It's incredibly sad

I stand by my point that this government is worse than the Nazis is an awful thing to say. I totally agree that disability benefits and work replacement benefits have been cut, along with many of the disability premiums that go with those benefits, and, there is little doubt in my mind that this is conservative ideology. But, to liken it to Nazism is being disingenuous. Instead of focussing on the benefit cuts you end up with a debate about Nazism. Let's focus on the Tory ideology of the poor and vulnerable being poor and vulnerable because they choose not to work and are lazy, rather than because they are sick and disabled. That's the offensive, disgusting attitude they have, and why we need an effective opposition, which unfortunately we don't yet have.

Badderwolf - depends where you draw the line as to what constitutes ‘enough’ support from the govt (ie taxpayers): support is one thing dependency is another...

My husband was diagnosed with terminal cancer last year. Prognosis of 2 to 3 months straight on to palatine care. Anyone with a prognosis of 6 months or less is treated under special rules to get full care and mobility. My husbands was sorted by one phone call by McMillan who didn’t even speak to him but took the details required from me. McMillan then dealt directly with the benefits office and my husband received a payment 7 days later.
I don’t know what has gone wrong for others or why the system didn’t work but that doesn’t mean it is not in place.

And at least if/when labour get in we can all be equally poor!