To think the deliberate targeting of disabled people is idealogical and reminiscent of the 3rd reich?

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Friends and I were discussing the current government's treatment of the disabled and I heard ANOTHER harrowing story. Her friends has multiple disabilities, cannot walk and relies on painkillers to make life tolerable. After her last assessment this woman was deemed fit to work and was told by a non medical professional (AKA administrator) that she didn't need medication. Her financial support was removed and now she has nothing whilst she stages an appeal.

The trouble is the government has scrapped a scheme which got disabled people into work. My good friend's sister has quite severe learning disabilities but was very happy in her job in a café until the government scrapped the scheme. Another thing we can thank Cameron for. She was devastated and wanted to work as it gave her self esteem.

So we have double standards here. We are being told to get jobs or loose benefits yet jobs are being cut.

AIBU to feel that humanity has learned nothing from history lessons at school and during a financial crisis we are keen to scapegoat others (disabled, jews etc.) Seems like most people don't want to help others as 'they work hard and why should they pay taxes?'

Someone will probably come along to say that Corbyn is an anti semite but the Nazis were anti disabled and wanted to squeeze them out of existence. So are the Tories. Is this an example of political gaslighting , cognitive dissonance or projection I wonder?

I have PIP. Higher daily living and I work part time. The forms are horrendous and I was initially turned down as I couldn't go to face to face appointment. The week I got their letter was horrible for me and adult dd. If it wasn't for her I would have killed myself.
I had a nervous breakdown after years of working excessive hours in retail and cleaning jobs despite the fact I m a qualified teacher.
I have bipolar type 1 and can function working part time only. In fact work and medication helps me stay stable.
Luckily I had a fantastic support worker who fought all the way for me to get a paper assessment and I was awarded pip.
This year the dreaded forms came again and I filled them up and sent evidence off. Another award till 2021. I have had this horrible illness since I was 17 so it won't get better and I will have times I cannot function.
I now help people fill in their forms and use my knowledge to make sure everything we can do is covered. I have been successful in every case so far but my friend actually said when I was writing it down "Ruby you are lying". I said no we need to give them your worst day coz 90% of the time she's in a wheelchair (fibromyalgia). She got higher award on both parts but she's still convinced I lied to them!

Sorry for the essay must have thought I was still filling in their endless forms lol.
You are right OP. This government don't care about disabled people at all.

Dontsweatthelittlestuff what about everybody else?

Glad you see life as a fun little competition, 10degrees . Hang on while I go and break the news to my kids that they're losers.

Pick a chew

That isn’t what I was suggesting as you well know

But I suspect a victim mentality won’t help either

YANBU a million times. This thread is so sad.

The thing that is also forgotten is the knock-on effect on all other benefits if you are refused PIP not only for the individual but also their carers if they are unable to or are unlikely to be able to live independently.

My DD was awarded DLA at 13 just after PIP was introduced and the DWP assessor actually called me up to up to say they had awarded it until the day before she turns 17 so we could have extra time to prepare. Speaks volumes knowing what I know now and the battles people are going through.

From last November:

www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/uk-news/police-now-investigating-how-mum-13879721?utm_source=facebook.com&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=sharebar

Heatherjayne1972 I have been hearing the refrain "Tories are going to dismantle the NHS" for all my voting life - 42 fucking years.

For christs sake change the record. Beyond tedious and achieves to opposite to your intention (well, to anyone with a modicum of intelligence and the ability to google)

BTW I am a floating voter - not a Tory shill if you care to research my past posts.

During hard economic times the right, and extremism becomes more popular. Precisely what is happening now. It will get much worse as the economy falls off a cliff.

Having said that I wouldn’t compare the current government to the Nazi party.

Someone I know has recently been chucked off ESA - he has cancer and is facing major surgery, has lost 5 stone in six months and has a feeding tube and severe depression. Yet he was deemed fit for work.
However most of the cancer patients that I deal with daily in my working life get PIP very easily and automatically sorted within 10 days if they are terminally ill ( The DWP are actually very efficient at sorting this quickly thank goodness ). Many of the I work with are going through months of chemo and will be awarded disability benfits with the right medical evidence sent with the forms.

So sounds like particular individual assessors are incompetent rather than a Government initiative?

personally I think the Nazis were just a little kinder to disabled people than this current government. Because at least the Nazis made no pretence of their hatred, there was no mind games or making you wait to hear your fate, they just killed you and it was done and over with.

I can't remember who posted this but 6 million Jews killed, opposition politicians killed, disabled, Roma, Jehovah's witnesses, people tortured in mindless medical experiments including the disabled, MH patients including children euthanized, WW2 started with millions more killed round the world. To say nothing of Stalin forcing millions into starvation and murdering his opposition.

PIP is awful, dreadful and the doctors and services doing the tick boxes should be ashamed as should the Labour and Conservative governments who started removing support as far back as 2000. I know from friends even getting to PIP reviews is a major problem.

I plan to raise this with my local MP and write to the government and try to get it raised (again) on Radio 4. But please don't compare it to the Nazis.

the Third Reich targeted other groups as well. Homosexuals, those with disabilities, Roma & Sinti, political dissidents.

Northern Ireland ticking a lot of those boxes.

I think shutting down debate and saying if you compare things to NG you've automatically lost is faux superiority to be honest.

No disabled people aren't being rounded into camps, but they are being punished for existing, losing vital funding and rights and being pushed into poverty and various Tories have advocated that disabled people should work for free for a company to receive benefits or accept less pay, so slavery/discrimination.

Learn a bit of history, the most remembered horrors of Nazi Germany did not happen overnight.

They began with the erosion of rights.

Those who refuse to remember history are doomed to repeat its mistakes.

karyatide that has been my personal experience. Things that I thought were the assessor putting me at my ease were then twisted and used against me. They also actually lied - told me that they were simply there to record my answers and made a big point that they were not adding anything to them, then the report was full of their "informal observations" of me.
I feel very naive and foolish for thinking that trusting them and being truthful would get me the help that I need. I have never claimed any benefits before. I did try and get CAB to help me but ironically I wasn't actually able to get to them for assistance hence having to try and make the claim myself.

The thing is how does the government ensure disability benefits are awarded fairly ? I met a lady last week who had metastatic cancer but wasn't terminal enough to get PIP under special rules ( 6 month prognosis). Her cancer had spread to her bones and lungs but was very slow growing and she didn't meet any of the Pip descriptors - believe me I explored every avenue - did she have pain, breathlessness etc affecting her daily living or mobility - the answer was no to every question yet I'm sure she was experiencing increase d costs due to her illness but she still didn't meet the descriptors to score enough points. It's very hard when people have the diagnosis but don't meet the descriptors, and yes she would probably be one of these people where the media screams " cancer ridden woman denied disability benefit " and everyone thinks it's shocking, but how do they fairly set the criteria with such a broad spectrum of illnesses affecting people in so many ways ??

Pawnee So journalists have filmed PIP sessions and broadcast them? MPs are still getting righteously angry about the subject?So not quite NG then if they're still alive.

I am not saying that if you compare things to NG the debate is closed - truly not - I think this is appalling and should be exposed as often as possible.

And as for malificent and Seems like most people don't want to help others as 'they work hard and why should they pay taxes?' They're paying taxes. Do you mean more tax? I think people who are earning enough to pay tax should welcome it to keep the NHS and SS on the road. But at the margins that means not being able to afford rental, food, child care.

So please, please, please use what energy you have to write to your local radio station, newspaper, MP, the charity that represents your problems or major problem and get them motivated to keep on backtracking the wretched policy and exponents of it.

This is a bit weird I just loaded this thread and a comment ascribed to me wasn't my comment and I think it's been replied to as if it was it had my name above it but it was @Babyroobs comment. It's gone back to normal now. So I'm a bit confused over whether a question was for me or not? How very odd

my exDP had failed surgery on a herniated disc, multiple bulging discs and narrowing of spinal canal. he could barely walk without crying and breaking into a huge sweat. he couldnt stand to make food for himself and i had to help dress him.

he was found fit to work because he could “move an empty cardboard box” and he could “walk up and down 2 steps unaided”

utterly ridiculous. that doesn’t mean he could work for 8 hours a day. he struggled with a 4 hour shift. he had to quit that because his surgery didnt work and he is in permenant pain.

So, you are posting this drivel cos you have heard "a harrowing story" and a friend of a friend has had problems.

I have a very, very, very , very disabled adult son.

He has a million issues and problems but guess what , none are due to this government.

IN FACT, as Teresa May was our MP, she intervened and got us respite care.

Oh, I know, that is a troubling real fact to you, you want a cartoon mentality that says if anyone says they are a ickle bit poorly its benefits for life and don't you dare ask for proof, I said I was poorly and that should be enuff.

Its jolly expensive supporting the very , very , very disabled ( of which my son is one ) To support him we need a country that can afford his support.

Corbyn/McDonnell would would dole out largesse ( look that word up, sweety as you can't spell "lose" and the country would no longer be able to afford ANY care , for ANY disabled people in roughly a year.

I feel soiled reading your thread OP. You know NOTHING and its all about trivia you've heard from friend of a friend of a friend.

DRIVEL. How DARE you compare Nazism to a PIP assessment.

senmumoftom you know fine well that you cant discount the many thousands of people who have suffered due to PIP assessments, purely because you received support.

sen, how rude. There are many of us here who have had severe difficulties with the DWP and the processes involved.
Oh, and if you're going to use Labour largesse (I don't need to look it up, but would not have used it in this context) then I suggest you do some research, Labour budgets have consistently been better than Tory ones since the last war. Ergo, you're knee jerk reaction to protect Thatcherite policies is perhaps a tad misguided.