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To think a rapist shouldn't be in a women's prision to start with?

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MipMipMip · 06/09/2018 17:01

A rapist has now admitted to assaulting female prisoners while in a women's prision. (This individual is in prision for rape but the assaults on prisoners do not appear to have been rape. Assuming all have come forward. )

But there is a large part of me that think this is down almost entirely to the people who put him there. Don't get me wrong - I blame the rapist. But it is clear that they are opportunistic. So while you wouldn't be surprised if someone went in a tigers cage and got eaten, you shouldn't be surprised that a rapist going into a women's prision assaults women.

These assaults were wholly avoidable. AIBU to think the people who enabled the rapist should be held partially responsible?

*for clarity: as MNHQ do not allow a person to be misgendered and this individual identifies as trans I have not used male pronouns. I hope that this does not prevent clear discussion.

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NothingOnTellyAgain · 07/09/2018 12:33

"unfortunate"

Women being sexually assaulted while in prison by a violent sex offender with a dick is "unfortunate"

Come on admit it you're on the wind up :D

NothingOnTellyAgain · 07/09/2018 12:35

"What crime is a step too far for you - rape is bad but only what they deserve apparently, what about torture, murder?
I'd prefer there to be no violence in prisons, but it's just a fact of life. Policemen use it as a bargaining chip to squeeze suspects with."

It's "unfortunate" but ok in theory for female prisoners to be locked in cells with bepenised violent sex offenders who torture, rape and murder them.

These will not count as crimes, the women are not victims, and it's OK as women in prison are "no angels".

Come on you've gone a bit far now you are ovb taking the piss!

Either that or you're enjoying these ideas a little too much.

MyDoctor · 07/09/2018 12:37

I'm being honest. I don't break the law, not because I'm a do-gooder or anything like that. I just don't fancy getting raped in the prison showers. It's a useful deterrent.

MonotonousSeagull · 07/09/2018 12:40

Maybe not wanting to go to man-jail could be a good deterrent for other penis owners who are tempted to rape with their ladydicks?

ShrodingersSturdyPyjamas · 07/09/2018 12:40

I'm being honest. I don't break the law, not because I'm a do-gooder or anything like that. I just don't fancy getting raped in the prison showers. It's a useful deterrent.

You do know that not everyone in prison actually did anything!

I could accuse you, and you could be arrested and changed and end up in a prison - having not actually done anything. You could go before a jury, and be convicted and it could just be a set up. Or mistaken identify that you can't disprove.

TwistedStitch · 07/09/2018 12:49

That seems to suggest you think putting a male rapist in a cell block with women who can't escape is a good idea MyDoctor, as a useful deterrent. Is that what you think? That rape, or the threat of rape, is an appropriate punishment for women who have broken the law?

Mrbatmun · 07/09/2018 12:50

MyDoctor Why do you think that a male criminal who says he is a woman should get the right to go to the prison of his choice and havr access to women if he wants, but a female criminal who is in prison shouldn't have the right to be kept safe from sexual assault?

TwistedStitch · 07/09/2018 12:51

And you are placing the FEELINGS of a violent male sex offender over the actual PHYSICAL SAFETY of women, some of whom will not be violent criminals. Is there a reason for that, other than misogyny? Or goadiness?

ShotsFired · 07/09/2018 12:52

"If an inmate assaults another inmate, with or without a penis"

I know for goddamn sure I'd rather be punched ten times in the face by a woman over being raped once by a man.

Not all assaults are equal.

And even the worst female criminals (of which there are staggeringly few) should be legally and justly imprisoned without having to fear a violent sexual assault as a "bonus" punishment.

TwistedStitch · 07/09/2018 12:57

There are additional implications to being assaulted by a man- risk of pregnancy for a start. Or is pregnancy through rape just another consequence of a woman daring to break the law?

NothingOnTellyAgain · 07/09/2018 12:58

MyDoctor

Prison is not suppose to be a place where people are raped as part of their punishment.

Given that rape is a crime that in the UK can only be committed by a person with a penis (previosuly known as a man)
And given that sex offences are overwhelmingly committed by people with penises (previosuly known as men)
It does seem VERY unfair that men who are in prison with men are at high probability of being "punished" with rape
While for women it is very very low

If you believe that threat of rape, and actual rapes happening, is necessary to the prison system to make it a proper deterrent,

It certainly does make sense to put rapists in with the women, otehrwise it's not fair is it? The women aren't being punished properly while the men are.

Pure MRA.

NothingOnTellyAgain · 07/09/2018 12:59

"I'm being honest. I don't break the law, not because I'm a do-gooder or anything like that. I just don't fancy getting raped in the prison showers. It's a useful deterrent."

Are you a man?

This "raped in the showers" thing is a male fear, a male threat.
If I were going to prison it wouldn't cross my mind to fear being raped in teh shower. I would be more worried about other things.

That post is very blokey.

Datun · 07/09/2018 13:09

mydoctor hates women and places the feelings of men above the safety of women.

But it's not only that. They use specious and double standard arguments to back up the risible lack of logic. Logic which would have paedophiles being allowed to work in young offender institutions, and only if they are caught raping the children does it become a problem. And not something that one could ever have risk assessed for, but only realised in hindsight.

To *mydoctor' despite being a self confessed rapist, paedophile and merely a drag queen without gender dysphoria, this criminal should be housed in a female prison and only transferred to male prison because they are getting their wrist slapped for assaulting women.

Maybugger · 07/09/2018 13:19

Absolutely appalling and preposterous.
So female prisoners are viewed to have less rights because a male prisoner apparently identifies himself as 'female'. Bloody ridiculous.
The world's gone mad.

thatwouldbeanecumenicalmatter · 07/09/2018 13:23

Oh goody, the MRA dressed up as TRA have turned up. You know we see you? We see your misogynistic views dressed up as concern for trans.

Bridge is that way>>>>

TwistedStitch · 07/09/2018 13:33

Speaking of doctors, has Harrop commented on this? Or is a male rapist sexually assaulting inmates in a women's prison the kind of subject he knows he needs to avoid?

Mrbatmun · 07/09/2018 13:44

I hadn't made the doctor connection actually! Adrian, is that you?

I have to say mydoctor isn't really Ade's style - not condescending enough and hasn't usernamed anyone on the thread.

birdsdestiny · 07/09/2018 13:53

The lurkers see the hatred of women as well. It's important to remember that. Let's face it they couldn't miss it.

gendercritter · 07/09/2018 13:53

I don't believe for one minute that if mydoctor had a vulnerable (properly female, vagina owning) daughter or friend or relative in prison, they would be happy with them living in close quarters with someone with a penis.

Their words are all hot air.

longwayoff · 07/09/2018 13:57

I sincerely hope that the female prisoners who have been assaulted whilst in prison, find assistance in bringing a legal case against the authorities for grievous failings in their duty of care. If someone wants to start a gofundme I'll be more than happy to contribute.

OlennasWimple · 07/09/2018 15:17

I wonder how many times a man has to rape before it is deemed reasonable to assume that, given easy access to potential victims, he is likely to do it again? Hmm

MyDoctor - any thoughts? Clearly the three rapes that this individual was known or strongly suspected to have carried out isn't enough for you. Five rapes? Ten? Where is your threshold for determining that a person is a clear danger to others?

OlennasWimple · 07/09/2018 15:31

Oh right, good to know, Errol. Hmm Angry

Theswaggyotter · 07/09/2018 15:50

That’s an awful case errol

ErrolTheDragon · 07/09/2018 15:55

Too much male violence; not enough male violence being properly dealt with, not enough concern for women's safety. (yesterday in the times it was DV). Bad enough without males who have committed sexual violence against women being put in women's prisons.

Anyone who has raped is, and remains a male, whatever pronouns that person wants to hide behind.