AIBU to be shocked that the NSPCC cancelled their Facebook Live session with Mumsnetters, because they didn't like the questions? That they can't explain why they aren't putting children in danger?

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I am reeling from this - Mumsnet promoted a Facebook Live for Thursday 12.30... to talk about keeping Kids safe from Abuse, and to publicise their PANTS and SpeakOut StaySafe campaigns.

NSPCC just didn't turn up - and only 4 hours later published a brief statement that said nothing!!!! So lots of people waiting for a no show.

It is fine for them to have the policies they have - IF THEY CAN EXPLAIN that they really are in all children's best interests and that they aren't putting girls at risk..... They haven't even tried to do that... Just ignored us and run. Ignored MUMSNET - which is full of people who raise or give money to the NSPCC, and who use it.

HOW??? I am bewildered beyond words.....

Oh ... and hopefully clicky link here of the questions Mumsnetters asked - really thoughtful cogent ones!

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/mumsnet_facebook_live/a3343961-Facebook-Live-about-talking-to-kids-about-staying-safe-from-abuse-with-NSPCC

Thread so what would you tell a girl who didn't want to share a changing room with a girl with a fully functioning penis? Please answer

for those of you that feel that strongly, why not take it up by appropriate channels?

Well the NSPCC said 'do you have any questions for us? Please ask them here.' And I did, so I asked it. Not clear how that is inappropriate?

Good point toolshrd. You deviated from the agenda

One child a day gets raped at school.... this so shocked me when I learnt... Our children deserve to be kept safe.

The NSPCC is a huge well-funded highly-professional organisation with plenty of time and resources to carry out impact assessments on this and any other issue - and to prepare a well-reasoned rationale of why their approach is how it is. They invest huge amounts and time - very appropriately - in anything that affects their beneficiaries from the mosts effective way to raise money to how to get their messages across and what branding/approach works best.

They have let Mumsnet down - and they are letting children down, which matters far more. If this thread achieves one thing - of making the NSPCC just begin to rethink and reflect more on what many of us see as the biggest threat to our children's safety today - then it will have made a real difference.

If the NSPCC has a robust policy that stood up to scrutiny THERE WOULD BE NOTHING TO TRIP THEM UP WITH! And they would have come on for the web chat and answered the damn questions and put everyone’s mind at rest.

I can only echo this... and really hope they will re-engage with us and actually do so. I hope too that Mumsnet HQ - and Justine - hold them to account and say, actually our users were asking valid questions and we would all really like to know the answers.

To all the people complaining that the wrong questions were asked: what questions should we have asked?

@putyourdamnshoeson I work in children's safeguarding. I've directly worked with maybe 15 or so trans children in my career, ranging from 3yrs to 16. I've worked with a trans girl (under 10yrs) who was chased and battered by a group of men for being a 'faggot' and several trans children who have been sexually abused by adult perpetrators who have justified the abuse as 'educating' or 'proving' their 'correct' gender.

But please feel free to carry on assuming Im wrong because I disagree with your view on 'threats'.

Some people’s lack of critical thinking skills make me really fucking sad, especially when those people work in professions that should be safeguarding children and having critical thinking skills and professional curiosity is their ACTUAL FUCKING JOB!

if there was a ton of GCs piling on with tedious trans questions, that means the thread must have been showing up in Active and anyone with other questions could have posted them.

Aaand if you'd even read the thread you'll see it was removed from active.

And Rat you want to make it easier for males to have access to females in school and teach girls that they are bigots if they are 'sensitive' about having boys in their spaces?

That is so much worse than a group of mums asking the NSPCC some hard-hitting questions in a webchat. You ought to be so ashamed.

Naaah mate, nice try though. Might have worked if I were thick.

What i want is for the NSPCC's valuable campaigns to reach as many children as possible.

What the self-absorbed self-righteous GC brigade have done is fucked up a huge opportunity to further that wish because they care more about their trans-hating hobby horse than actual children.

That thread was NOT the place for that thick-headed pile on.

Its a shame the talk was hijacked by an alternative agenda - for those of you that feel that strongly, why not take it up by appropriate channels?

Threadastaire what's "alternative" about the "agenda" of wanting to give girls - including abused girls - the right to assert their boundaries? Isn't that's what the NSPCC is there to do?

And plenty of us have taken it up "by appropriate channels" and haven't had answers, so are taking it up in this appropriate channel, too.

Just saying that there isn't a problem doesn't make the problem go away, and it's a disgrace that the NSPCC are behaving like it does.

Rat so what would you tell a girl who didn't want to share a changing room with a girl with a fully functioning penis? Please answer

What i want is for the NSPCC's valuable campaigns to reach as many children as possible.

The NSPCC's "valuable campaign" is actively harmful when it is teaching girls that they are not allowed to assert their own boundaries, and teaching them that they are not allowed to say they want privacy, dignity and safety from boys and men.

I've championed the NSPCC for years. No more.

Thanks

The NSPCC's "valuable campaign" is actively harmful when it is teaching girls that they are not allowed to assert their own boundaries, and teaching them that they are not allowed to say they want privacy, dignity and safety from boys and men.

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@threadastaire it was mentioned on the thread that a trans child could be put at risk because of the prevailing advice for professionals that if a possibly-trans child confides in them, they should keep it secret.
Is it not worthwhile to ask about that?

It’s a bit like trying to talk to anti vaxxers.

completely fucking scuppered
Mate, it was one web chat.

So answer it ffs

Its PANTS. S For speaking out- but she cabt tell the truth

N for no means no. But not wanting to be exposed to naked penises becomes female penises are compulsory ...

I actually think that answer was very enlightening.

It’s a bit like trying to talk to anti vaxxers
It’s nothing like speaking to anti-Vaxxers.

DARVO

Most of the people on MN are women, and most of the women on MN have children, Rat.

your accusations won't wash as I know, you know, everyone knows that mothers are extremely keen on protecting children from sexual abuse.

Yes well we can always just fuck off when we'd actually like answers to our concerns couldn't we Rat? Almost as though there aren't any.

Your pretended concern for children is really distaseful tbh. Take your faux righteous indignation somewhere else please. Maybe the Feminism thread about that Times article on sexual assaults in mixed sex changing facilities?

@tiredandweary thanks for that link. I assume it relates to the newspaper report about the child Mermaids were banned from contacting?

I’ve got about half way through it now, I really don’t know where to start with it. Poor J, I hope he’s doing OK now.

Any lurkers who are wondering WTAF is going on, do read the link, it’s interesting.

Here it is again:

www.bailii.org/ew/cases/EWHC/Fam/2016/2430.html

Have you emailed MNHQ to ask about that pre recorded safeguarding video Rat? Cos if you can get mumsnet to put that up, as they said they would, your beef with the terrible mums would be over.

Maybe that’s not your real beef though.