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AIBU to be shocked that the NSPCC cancelled their Facebook Live session with Mumsnetters, because they didn't like the questions? That they can't explain why they aren't putting children in danger?

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loveyouradvice · 02/09/2018 13:37

I am reeling from this - Mumsnet promoted a Facebook Live for Thursday 12.30... to talk about keeping Kids safe from Abuse, and to publicise their PANTS and SpeakOut StaySafe campaigns.

NSPCC just didn't turn up - and only 4 hours later published a brief statement that said nothing!!!! So lots of people waiting for a no show.

It is fine for them to have the policies they have - IF THEY CAN EXPLAIN that they really are in all children's best interests and that they aren't putting girls at risk..... They haven't even tried to do that... Just ignored us and run. Ignored MUMSNET - which is full of people who raise or give money to the NSPCC, and who use it.

HOW??? I am bewildered beyond words.....

Oh ... and hopefully clicky link here of the questions Mumsnetters asked - really thoughtful cogent ones!

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/mumsnet_facebook_live/a3343961-Facebook-Live-about-talking-to-kids-about-staying-safe-from-abuse-with-NSPCC

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givemesteel · 02/09/2018 20:25

Clearly the ncpcc discussing safeguarding is a useful topic for everyone but agree their stance on the trans debate is cowardly and insulting to women's intelligence.

There are a series of articles in the economist which attempt to present a balanced argument on the trans debate.

I found this one to be particularly well reasoned - www.economist.com/open-future/2018/07/13/trans-rights-will-be-durable-only-if-campaigners-respect-womens-concerns

One of them explains the route of it -

The British government is currently considering reforming the Gender Recognition Act of 2004, to replace the lengthy, bureaucratic process trans people must go through if they want to change their legal sex by a system of gender self-identification.

What I don't understand is why is it under review? Changing sex in my opinion should be lengthy and bureaucratic, it should be seen as a big decision, like any legal change of status.

I agree that trans people (whether before or after transition) should be protected but not at the expense of another group (ie women). It became a legal requirement for there to be disabled toilets in public places. Would a simple solution for there to be male, female, then gender neutral toilets / changing rooms.

The government should never opened up a consultation on this without a sensible proposal being there in the first place.

Thank you for the facts not fairytales link, that was very informative and shows the potential problems even with trans - female children.

I just feel that this could all be resolved reasonably simply without the erosion of female only spaces.

Happityhap · 02/09/2018 20:26

Hi Rat, surely the NSPCC should have been able to put everyone's minds at rest about the miniscule risk of problems related to trans, so they could get on with the other questions.
Why do you suppose they didn't do that?

LemonJello · 02/09/2018 20:27

Feminists are not interested in screwing kids over.

Other are though.

CertainHalfDesertedStreets · 02/09/2018 20:27

You'll tell me it was to protect the one sensitive girl who happens to brush shoulders with that rare trans child with enough confidence to change openly with the girls,

Um. No we won't. We'll tell you it was to protect all of our daughters from having men and boys in their changing rooms, from having to accept a lie as the truth and from having to be the collateral damage in your virtue signalling wokeness.

So you can take the minimising sexual assault legitimising little straw man you have created there and wait for your arse to stop flapping about how outrageous it all is and shove it right up there quite frankly.

RatRolyPoly · 02/09/2018 20:27

We aren't the ones fucking kids over

My dear, you really have to be able to see that on this occasion at least...

YOU REALLY ARE

Putyourdamnshoeson · 02/09/2018 20:27

Rat. Stop being a rat.

RatRolyPoly · 02/09/2018 20:29

Witty.

HavingALittleBabyToolshed · 02/09/2018 20:29

Rat is a sea lion.

CertainHalfDesertedStreets · 02/09/2018 20:29

Kids we've screwed over. Pfft. Get a fucking hold of yourself you numpty.

Gileswithachainsaw · 02/09/2018 20:31

Again of is nonsense then why couldn't they answer the question

HavingALittleBabyToolshed · 02/09/2018 20:32

I’m off upstairs to throw myself on the floor and tell the kid I’ve let them down by asking the NSPCC a question about safeguarding.

What happens when other professionals forget safeguarding principles? Do we turn a blind eye to that? I’ll do it tomorrow at work and see how long I keep my job or registration.

Gileswithachainsaw · 02/09/2018 20:32

No one ever answers the questions . They argue. They insult.They shout. They make accusations left right and centre.

But never is there an answer backed up without fake stats from stone wall mermaids or prick news.

Happityhap · 02/09/2018 20:34

If there was a ton of GCs piling on with tedious trans questions, that means the thread must have been showing up in Active and anyone with other questions could have posted them. But nobody bothered.
(This is an anonymous forum so nobody needed to feel nervous about getting in among the GCs, btw.)

CertainHalfDesertedStreets · 02/09/2018 20:35

What happens when other professionals forget safeguarding principles? Do we turn a blind eye to that? I’ll do it tomorrow at work and see how long I keep my job or registration.

Yeah. As long as they are 'doing their best'. That's what counts in safeguarding. Not, y'know, actually keeping anyone safe.

Wanderabout · 02/09/2018 20:35

Why won't the NSPCC answer the questions?

Either mixed sex sleeping and showers are not ok from a safeguarding perspective or they are.

iamawoman · 02/09/2018 20:37

Interesting the nspcc couldn't / wouldnt answer some of those very specific safeguarding questions. Its not about 'trans bogeymen' , its that trans policy lets men and their penises in places with girls where they may be undressing and this is sanctioned by the organisations who should be at the forefront of safeguarding ALL children.

Gileswithachainsaw · 02/09/2018 20:37

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/sex-pests-target-women-in-mixed-changing-rooms-x3vw2lnv8

And oh look they aren't...

StealthPolarBear · 02/09/2018 20:38

Sinister isn't it. When the dust settled this will make the Saville scandal look like small fry in comparison.

CertainHalfDesertedStreets · 02/09/2018 20:38

Well on their website they advise against different sex siblings over X age sharing rooms.

So dd can't share a room with ds unless he says he's a girl. It's ok then because we is woke.

gendercritter · 02/09/2018 20:39

1 child a day gets raped at school.

And Rat you want to make it easier for males to have access to females in school and teach girls that they are bigots if they are 'sensitive' about having boys in their spaces?

That is so much worse than a group of mums asking the NSPCC some hard-hitting questions in a webchat. You ought to be so ashamed.

gendercritter · 02/09/2018 20:40

Times article on mixed changing rooms.

Threadastaire · 02/09/2018 20:43

This thread makes me really sad. Its like how people with mental health issues have (and still do) get demonised for being a 'threat' when in reality they're much more likely to be a victim of harm from someone else and far less likely to be believed by authorities.

The Nspcc pants programme is a really useful tool and they have some really great resources on their website for parents and professionals, I hope that doesn't get drowned out. Its a shame the talk was hijacked by an alternative agenda - for those of you that feel that strongly, why not take it up by appropriate channels?

Putyourdamnshoeson · 02/09/2018 20:44

thread I really don't think you understand the range of issues and threats here.

CertainHalfDesertedStreets · 02/09/2018 20:44

They are just girls though right gendercritter?

Not special brave and stunning sparkly unicorn 'girls'. Those are the ones we care about now. The others can fuck right off.

HavingALittleBabyToolshed · 02/09/2018 20:46

why not take it up by appropriate channels?

In what way is asking the NSPCC an on topic question about child safeguarding not the appropriate channel?