AIBU to be shocked that the NSPCC cancelled their Facebook Live session with Mumsnetters, because they didn't like the questions? That they can't explain why they aren't putting children in danger?

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I am reeling from this - Mumsnet promoted a Facebook Live for Thursday 12.30... to talk about keeping Kids safe from Abuse, and to publicise their PANTS and SpeakOut StaySafe campaigns.

NSPCC just didn't turn up - and only 4 hours later published a brief statement that said nothing!!!! So lots of people waiting for a no show.

It is fine for them to have the policies they have - IF THEY CAN EXPLAIN that they really are in all children's best interests and that they aren't putting girls at risk..... They haven't even tried to do that... Just ignored us and run. Ignored MUMSNET - which is full of people who raise or give money to the NSPCC, and who use it.

HOW??? I am bewildered beyond words.....

Oh ... and hopefully clicky link here of the questions Mumsnetters asked - really thoughtful cogent ones!

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/mumsnet_facebook_live/a3343961-Facebook-Live-about-talking-to-kids-about-staying-safe-from-abuse-with-NSPCC

Thanks Rowan.
. lt's a shame the biased British broadcasting association couldn't be bothered to list the provisions already made for the child and instead made it sound as if they were being forced to change with the boys. They weren't. Just not to access the girls.

Life would be a lot easier if articles listed all the details instead of just trying to make the world seem bigoted.

Corporation, not Association. Bloody ruided bad puns....

Self ID has many issues, but the idea that anything other than a tiny fraction of people might consider using it to attempt to abuse others is ridiculous.

Why do you think it's ridiculous? Do you understand the lengths men will go to to carry out abuse? Men choose entire careers based on how much access they will gain to vulnerable people. I don't think exploiting a loophole in the law is going to be much bother is it?

Most of the people who are trans are vulnerable individuals themselves, far more have been beaten up in men's bathrooms when forced to use them, than the infinitesimally small number of people who have used it as a cover for predatory attacks.

Hang on, so are men dangerous or not? I thought the idea that a man would hurt a woman in a bathroom was ridiculous? Or if men are so dangerous that they will beat up transwomen in the toilets, then do those transwomen want those men 'self identifying' in order to get into the ladies toilets?

And, if rates are low, could it be because they are too scared to go in?

So transwomen are allowed to be scared of males in toilets, but women aren't?

I’ve not yet found evidence of transpeople being victimised in U.K. toilets but I did find this:

www.equalityhumanrights.com/sites/default/files/key_facts_and_findings-_transgender_0.pdf

Which states the 77% of transMEN avoid public toilets (ie, female-to-male transpeople) avoid public toilets (and while the corresponding stats are not present for Male-to-female transpeople, it does say that it’s not as high).

™Self ID has many issues, but the idea that anything other than a tiny fraction of people might consider using it to attempt to abuse others is ridiculous.^

It's not just about the legal process of self-ID, it's about the fact that if the legislation passes (and to some extent it is happening already) any male can enter any female space simply by saying they are a woman.

The issue is predatory men

So why don't we pick on them instead of derailing trans rights?

I don't even know how to begin to answer that because it is so absolutely fundamental to this whole debate and we shouldn't still be in a place where people are asking it.

If the changes that trans people want actually go ahead, any man can have access to female spaces. There will be no such thing as a woman anymore. How do you keep women and children safe in a women's refuge, for example, if a man says he's female and is allowed to move in?

If you treat any man who wants to be female, as female, you lose the ability to keep women safe. Trans rights and women's rights compete.

"Self ID has many issues, but the idea that anything other than a tiny fraction of people might consider using it to attempt to abuse others is ridiculous. "

HAHAHAHAHAH

There are creepy weirdy men everywhere.
Women know this. Because they have been encountering them since they were girls.
That is why we are "frothing" about this.
It is totally fucking obvious where essentially making everythig unisex leads us.

Another vote for not donating to an organisation that refuses to engage in conversations about the real issues. We all know when good people do nothing, bad things happen.

And because most trans advocates are trans women they dismiss these concerns >>

Because they, like men, have very little idea about what life is like for women and girls, and when we try to tell them to get something done about it (hollaback, metoo, everydaysexism & etc and so on) they cover their ears up and say lalalala you're exaggerating and way too emotional, I we can't possibly take anything you say seriously.

I mean men do that
No reason to think that a person who has lived most of their life as a chap and then "becomes" a woman will feel any differently.
Disbelieving and minimising what women say seems to be in male DNA.

Ignoring all the safe guarding issues the NSPCC has got a responsibilty to look seriously in to the risk of social contagion in children and grooming of children by pressure groups and "woke" parents towards transitioning.

The number of young girls trying to identify out of girlhood should most definitely be a concern for a children's protection organization!

has many issues, but the idea that anything other than a tiny fraction of people might consider using it to attempt to abuse others is ridiculou

If the options are open my coat to a random on the street and risk getting my ass handed to me or ending up in jail or open my coat up to a room full of women and girls at the local pool because I can identify as a woman and they can't even tell me to fuck off which one would make more sense?

Agree

Their message boards are a shocker, I posted yesterday saying WTF and why aren't mods gettign back to these kids?

Gender board >> first 3 posts were all from girls who didn't like boy stuff saying maybe I'm trans and responses including "sounds like you have gender dysphoria".

that was childline msg boards - are they linked? i thought they were but maybe not in which case take it back

I came to read this thread because a friend on Facebook posted about GC women on Mumsnet derailing an NSPCC debate.

However, it's abundantly clear that anyone could have posted any questions they wanted and that no one derailed anything.

It's also abundantly clear that the people who are genuinely concerned about safeguarding children are gender critical.

It's almost like if you cared about children's safety, it would already have occurred to you that prioritising the right to self ID ahead of everyone else's rights makes children and women even more vulnerable than they already are.

Abusive men are abusive. They go to extraordinary lengths to get access to victims and to groom those victims. We should not be supporting organisations that want to make it easier for men to do this.

Other than "fuck off", I've still not had a response to my question.

social contagion in children I agree IDon'tEatFriedturtle

It also has strong links with self harming and attempted suicide.

That's all you will get stealth there are no answers or real facts and people are embarrassed they swallowed the nonsense from stone wall and penis news.

You are no more in danger in the UK as a trans person as anyone else.

If they were co termed about safety they'd take a third space

What they want above all else is validation and they will threaten us with false suicide stats to get it. Where have women heard that before I wonder.

Trans have the same rights as every one else. They law protects them against violence as much as anyone else. They can't be discriminated against for their trans status. Trans people are in fact pretty damn bullet proof.

The only rights they are contesting are where single sex exemptions legally apply. And the only reason to he opposed to that is well...you tell me.especially when as already shown no transwomen have been killed in uk changing rooms or toilets

I came to read this thread because a friend on Facebook posted about GC women on Mumsnet derailing an NSPCC debate

See that annoys me heath

As its just lies...and some people are going to believe it without checking because why would you need to check something like that (cos some people are fucking liars...thats why!)

I wonder if calling someone a liar is a personal attack when you can prove its a lie

Great post Heath

Realistically someone who comes across as a chap in a frock is going to get a few weird looks
but
Chaps have been wearing all sorts of stuff not just frocks in 70s 80s then all the gender walls were raised again
I am sure there is discrimination in work and stuff and that is not on
However and it is a big However
The LOGIC behind having some, or lots, of people access the opposite sex stuff is not there
The legal fiction of a sex change when there was a lot of gatekeeping and few people aorund who did it, that felt pragmatic at the time
What we see now is a big push from a much larger group with a wide variety of expereinces concerns and ideas to essentially abolish sex as a factor in anything and move it all to gender defined as a feeling in your head (that not everybody has).... Which has many consequences mostly for women and children

People should of course be able to dress as they want and adopt whatever mannerisms they want (although teh "I'm a little teapot" posturing of certain people on lady-days is offensive and infuriating) BUT they do not change sex, you cannot change sex, and women and girls do need certain things because of our sex and because of how we are treated by the other sex ie men. This is not in our heads or a feeling, it is a measurable awful fact.

And this is past self ID laws

The trans advocate groups have gone around various places and got them to adopt practices based on lies. they have told all sorts of places where children are that trans kids by law have to use all facilities of gender they ID as. This is not true, it is not the law.

And then you start seeing who is in these groups, making these policies, and oh look, starts to look like a bunch of weirdy pervy men have inflitrated,when you scratch the surface.

The swim england stuff was ridiculous. GG what are they thinking? schools. prisons. secure mental health wards. and so on and so on.

Nothing to see at this university.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5089529/University-failed-male-student-baby-role-play-fetish.html