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AIBU?

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To want an apology from my cheating SIL?

174 replies

GoEasyOnMe · 30/08/2018 11:46

I’m going to try and keep the details as brief as possible as this has a long history...

DB and SIL been married c10 years with 2 DC 9 and 7. I have always struggled to understand their relationship as I don’t believe she pulls her weight and from I see, openly speaks unkindly to my DB. My parents supported them and gave them substantial deposit for house, set SIL with job and have generally been at their beck and call. SIL never shown gratitude. DB takes all financial burden and does all housework (I’m not kidding, dishes, hoovering, bathroom, dusting etc) but mainly as he has slight ocd. SIL almost every weekend would spend one full day out with friends shopping or catching up with girlfriends. Often would be out overnight at short notice. I want to be clear here...I absolutely think she has the right to have down time and nights out but the balance is very wrong and DB left holding kiddies.

18 months ago, my DB found out she had been cheating. Not once but over a period of years and with different men. She also rung up debts as had a gambling addiction he wasn’t aware of. She moved out and they kept civil for kids while he pretty much had a mental breakdown. He went into therapy and took a real hard look at how they ended up there.

SIL also laid bare everything and admitted she hadn’t liked herself for a long time (terrible relationship with her own DP) and wanted to face her demons. She also went into therapy on her own...and they did couples therapy.

Meanwhile, myself, DH and DP picked up the pieces with DC.s as best we could and supported DB. It has been a traumatic period for us all!

After the counselling and a lot of work, they have decided to make a go of it. This thread isn’t about his decision...I don’t understand it but have to support his choice. And in fairness, SIL does seem to have had a wake up call and done a lot of changing.

However, as a couple, they now seem to expect everyone to pick up where we left off. It’s my Aunts 60th in November and the first time we will be seeing her since it all happened. I have asked DB if we can have a chat with her beforehand and perhaps clear the air. I’m not talking all at once but feel she should sit with my parents and then myself and talk through it all. My DP have seen her since through childcare but the conversation has wholly revolved around kids, errands and schedules etc.

I don’t want to rake over the whole affair but I do think myself and DP are owed an apology at least and perhaps commitment that things will be different from now on. My DB disagrees and says he was the hurt party and he’s forgiven her so that should be the end of it. It’s not a matter of needing our forgiveness (we respect my DB and will support him whatever), it’s more that we were hurt, we were also let down and we had to put our lives on hold to support him...therefore she owes us an apology too.

AIBU at this event to be civil to her but not fully engage until we get a 121 conversation with an apology and a promise of things change?

If you’ve made it this far, thank you!

OP posts:
ShotsFired · 30/08/2018 14:59

Sorry OP, I agree with others.

You are not some kind of familial parole board sitting on high to grant her an official pardon.

She hurt your brother, by extension you, but that is not the same as a direct offence against you.

Your brother has made his decision, and you need to respect that.

ineedtostopbeingsolazy · 30/08/2018 15:01

Take it slowly and see how it goes. Girly nights are probably a long way off but in time you should see her with your brother and see how you get on. Unfortunately if you want a relationship with your brother this is what you'll have to do as if he thinks you don't like her and don't want to see her he'll choose her and back away from the family.

smudgedlipstick · 30/08/2018 15:08

What? Why would you get an apology? It's nothing to do with you? You are involving yourself in a situation you have no right to have an opinion on and asking to talk something through with someone that has nothing to do with you

1forAll74 · 30/08/2018 15:14

I think that you should write or email your SIL, and tell her how you feel, it might be better than meeting up and getting things off your chest.

I don't think you need an apology though, she has probably had to apologise all round for what has been happening. It will be nice to see your brother and his partner back on track if this is possible, so just be happy for them.

ravenmum · 30/08/2018 15:30

Reading the updates, your family all sound incredibly invested in one another and involved in each others' business. When I went through something like your db I didn't expect or get any support from my siblings - OK we are not close anyway, so unsurprising, but your family setup would be way too far in the other direction for me! Not to criticise you, just to point out that maybe your views are a bit warped by this family vibe, and your SIL might have no clue what you expect from her.

In your position I'd just say "no foursomes until we feel comfortable about it".

BlancheM · 30/08/2018 21:45

Why do you keep posting about this? You always get the same responses.
Your SIL doesn't owe you an apology.

mirialis · 30/08/2018 22:02

Well that's simply untrue Blanche. The OP does not always get the same responses and there are a few of us who've said she and her parents are owed an apology or some form of explanation but that she's never going to get one and so she has to think about the best way of supporting her DB and her parents with that in mind. And with each post the OP makes, it becomes clearer why what is being asked of her and her parents is so very unreasonable.

LadyPenelope68 · 30/08/2018 22:06

YABVU, she owes you nothing whatsoever, it’s absolutely not your business, butt out. You want “an apology and a promise that things will change” - what planet are you on, again, mind your own business.

BlancheM · 30/08/2018 22:07

Sorry, I just don't see why OP keeps making the exact same post every so often.

GoEasyOnMe · 30/08/2018 22:20

I'm slightly exasperated by this now and forgive me as it's my first thread. I posted a genuine question fully expecting a mixed bag of YABU and YANBU... I read them all, rethought my point of view, took onboard comments and in my very next post, and in all other since, I have agreed that iWBU... I then sought out further advice...received it...decided on a course of action..

I've thanked everyone for their responses, despite the fact that many have been mean, unkind and personal in nature and changed my view as a result. I'm not quite sure what else I'm supposed to do? I've not written on this thread for 7 hours as my question was answered and yet I'm now accused of 'keeping posting'.

I thought mumsnet was about sharing advice and support...

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lily2403 · 30/08/2018 22:28

Only person she has to apologise to is her husband nowt to do with you really...talking about DC, schedules etc is all she owes the rest of the family, if your DB has accepted and is trying to save marriage then that's up to him not you or your parents

BlancheM · 30/08/2018 22:30

Oh it was months ago I read the exact same OP, so if it wasn't you it was someone with the exact same problem who wanted to vent about their SIL.
Glad you're sorted now.

GoEasyOnMe · 30/08/2018 22:31

@BlancheM It wasn't me! Thank you

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GoEasyOnMe · 30/08/2018 22:39

Thank you @mirialis ☺️

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Ethylred · 30/08/2018 22:43

It's wonderful that you love and support your brother so much, it truly is.
Having the conversation you want wouldn't be a part of that love and support.

BertieBott · 30/08/2018 22:56

@theWarOnPeace

The person causing the drama is your sister by choosing to stay in a relationship with crime, drugs etc. She should be apologising or getting therapy. If it weren’t your BIL someone else would be causing drama in her life for you all to clean up.

dogaregreat · 30/08/2018 23:03

No this is between your dB and her. If it was the other way round would you say sorry to your sister in law? Would you fuck!

Cloglover · 30/08/2018 23:21

I would absolutely feel the same way about being reluctant to rekindle a relationship. There's alway very sage advice on here, with smatterings of meanness and outright viciousness. It's lovely that you care so much about your brother and feel genuinely wounded by your sil's behaviour. Don't listen to the career trolls. X

Italiangreyhound · 31/08/2018 17:36

PP ' I don't expect an apology, having read people's opinions) and I'm not even sure I'll get an acknowledgement from her...which is fine.
But I think I just need to push back on the enforced friendship my DB is trying to fix.'

Glad to hear that.

Italiangreyhound · 31/08/2018 17:44

That triangle thing doesn't cut it for me.

Because sometimes people are the victims of an action and others want to help. The OP doesn't want to help SIL, she wants to help nephews/nieces whatever, her brother and her parents.

If I were a parent in danger of giving a load of cash to a daughter in law with a gambling problem, I'd definitely want someone to rescue me by pointing out what a bad idea it was.

This isn't a drama, the OP isn't a bystander. This is her extended family.

TheMonkeyMummy · 31/08/2018 18:28

I think it is fair enough to acknowledge that you are disappointed with the past but show willing to draw a line, even if only for DB's sake. He will know that you have his back but won't need the stress of thinking he has to placate his family as well as his own feelings towards the situation.

I hope you can do it, I would honestly struggle but he will appreciate it so much.

theWarOnPeace · 02/09/2018 12:08

Bertie I absolutely agree with you re my sister. The whole thing is a mess, which is why I’ve had no choice but to go NC. Having a close relative that’s in a toxic and destructive relationship is almost impossible, and certainly I don’t blame BIL only for the continuation of it all. As with the OPs case, I just feel desperately sorry for the kids involved.

Bombardier25966 · 02/09/2018 12:19

Given how judgmental and nasty you are about the sister in law, I wonder if she actually wants to be friends with you.

Italiangreyhound · 02/09/2018 12:30

It's not nasty to recognise that multiple affairs and gambling debts hurt a spouse, a marriage, kids and family!

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