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To be disgusted by this crowdfunder

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Spinderelle · 30/08/2018 05:46

Alex Salmond has launched a crowdfunder to fund his judicial review as he stands accused of sexual crimes against two women.

The man is a millionaire.

In 24 hours his cult like followers have given him £50,000. I don’t know what’s worse. People who can’t afford it donating money to a millionaire celebrity, or to an accused sex offender.

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Gersemi · 31/08/2018 18:26

I think if there are any queries about the legitimacy of the process then it's better that they are investigated and resolved as soon as possible. It will help women if the Scot Gov's complaints process is as robust as possible. And that includes identifying and stemming any leaks like the ones that meant these accusations were splashed across the Daily Record in such detail

This!

BackinTimeforTea · 31/08/2018 18:30

I wish I was so optimistic - this legal case seems more likely to deter women from coming forward to me, with all the focus being on false claims and not reasons why women don’t come forward

NotAnotherNoughtiesTune · 31/08/2018 18:32

Doesn't matter if he's guilty when it comes to fundraising.

It's not the publics fault that he either committed a crime against these women or was falsely accused of such a crime.

Who should fork the bill? He should. Because he's a millionaire.

But of course a couple thousand men who think there's no such thing as sexual assault really would indeed throw him some cash towards the issue.

SDTGisAnEvilWolefGenius · 31/08/2018 19:29

”The SNP haven't investigated him. There were no complaints to the SNP.

The Scottish Government received the complaints and their new complaints process was used to investigate them.”

You’re right, @Fraying - I am a numpty. Blush

Ohluckyme · 31/08/2018 19:31

Innocent until proven guilty. We don’t live in times of witch hunts anymore (thankfully)

worridmum · 31/08/2018 19:39

not that he has been accused if if he is found not guilty he will never been innocent in people minds.

Because the we believe you basically means that not matter what the person accused must be guilty.

worridmum · 31/08/2018 19:48

The legal guide lines are that the accused is not given any information of the incident is not allowed to call witnesses so how can he mount a fair defense if he is not allowed to do anything like that?

He is challenging the fact that he is not allowed to know what he is accused off or any of the details. It would be like going to court and the defense not being able to speak ,ask questions of the witnesses , challenge the prosecution in other words the process is NOT a fair one so it should rightfully be challenged.

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Spinderelle · 31/08/2018 22:01

Of course he knows what he’s accused of!!

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MrsJMartintheFirst · 31/08/2018 22:18

The man has millions in pensions, various incomes and salaries. People who have a lot less than this are contributing to his fund as they think he is some kind of idol (presumably?!) He is an egotistical, arrogant arse of a man.

I have friends who work alongside him, and as a PP said, I wouldn't be in the least bit surprised when he's handed his arse on a plate over this after listening to their tales about him over the years.

I feel heart sorry for the people who have raised the complaint against him.

SusanneLinder · 31/08/2018 22:57

I am an SNP supporter and an Independence supporter. I haven't donated to the crowdfunder, nor will I. I have read some pretty awful stuff on this thread against Scots and Indy supporters in general. It's very depressing.
Please remember that there are many other political parties that have had their own scandals, but haven't had as much coverage as this.
The proper investigations into the accusations need to be done, regardless of who AS is.

MrsJMartintheFirst · 31/08/2018 23:05

@SusanneLinder the SNP created an atmosphere of division and hatred during their Indy campaign. I am hoping Scotland can recover from this and their ten years of rule sooner rather than later and get back to being the great wee nation it was.

I think this with AS will lead to the demise of the SNP in Scotland more quickly now.

Gersemi · 01/09/2018 00:05

Of course he knows what he’s accused of!!

That's not the issue. The issue is that anyone who is the subject of an accusation like this is entitled to know what evidence is relied on by their accusers. If you were accused of something you hadn't done and had no idea what precisely was being said about you when preparing your defence, would you think that a fair process?

CuriousaboutSamphire · 01/09/2018 07:31

Of course he knows what he’s accused of!!

Yes, just as my colleague did - sexual harassment between the dates of X and X. That's often all people get told. Then, when the investigation is dropped they have no idea about who, what or why. If the investigation does get to court they are not told all the evidence that their accusers will rely on in court until they get to court so cannot prepare an adequate defence.

That is the flip side of preserving the anonymity of the accuser and not the accused, part of the reason I find "we believe you" to be scary when taken literally.

BakedBeans47 · 01/09/2018 07:55

Please remember that there are many other political parties that have had their own scandals, but haven't had as much coverage as this

What is it about SNP fans and engaging in whataboutery?

AS has done an amazing job himself in ensuring this story stays on the front pages.

SusanneLinder · 01/09/2018 08:57

@MrsJMartinthefirst . I am sure you are aware that whilst the SNP asked for the referendum, not all Independence supporters are SNP voters. Many are Greens, some are Labour and there are even Conservatives that voted for Independence. It had a huge ( and still does), have a huge grassroots movement. There is even an English Scots for Indy, and the St George is carried proudly. Of course there are keyboard warriors that can be offensive on both sides, ( just like MN..Wink), but the vast majority are sensible. A lot of the division was blown up by the Daily Fail, Express et al. In workplaces, homes, families ( apart from a few eejits), most people got on with their daily lives.
The only two things that shocked me, was someone trying to drag my disabled husband out of a car for daring to have a Yes sticker on his car, and the shocking scenes in George Square..
The good thing that came from it was Scotland has become far more interested in politics, and the huge apathy has gone.

SusanneLinder · 01/09/2018 09:10

@BakedBeans... I was merely pointing out a fact. No need for the snarky comment just because of my political views.
AS did not release this story to the press.
Everyone has the right to defend themselves, including AS.....and the two women who made the complaint.
It should NEVER have been released at all until investigations were completed as all the speculation may prejudice the investigation which MUST be done properly, regardless of the position ( or former position) of the accused.

MrsJMartintheFirst · 01/09/2018 09:16

@SusanneLinder I would disagree strongly. I have been horribly verbally abused both on SM and in RL by Indy voters (who are mostly SNP supporters so let's not split hairs). I've been called a traitor, told to move out of Scotland, I'm a brain dead idiot. All because I have a different political viewpoint. And they fail to see that you can be patriotic without being nationalistic or that you can want Scotland to remain part of the UK without being a Tory - the two are not mutually exclusive.

The SNP have split Scotland with their parochial, inward looking and nationalistic politics and it will take a long time for us to recover from that.

I can't wait for them to be removed from power and it won't be long now. Alex Salmond and his antics will help them along their way I think.

MrsJMartintheFirst · 01/09/2018 09:17

@BakedBeans47 well said.

BakedBeans47 · 01/09/2018 09:57

I didn’t say AS released the story but it was not headline news any more until HE reignited it all by resigning and this ludicrous crowdfunder.

The whataboutery comment is not snarky but valid. You can’t criticise the SNP without their supporters bringing up labour, Westminster, etc

SDTGisAnEvilWolefGenius · 01/09/2018 16:41

I particularly hated the view of some Indy supporters that anyone who voted No clearly didn’t love Scotland at all.

It is an entirely illogical view - I voted No because I love Scotland, and thought that that was the best choice for Scotland. I absolutely accept that people who voted Yes did so because they love Scotland too - so why can’t they accept that I do too.

Anyone who loves Scotland will make the choice that they think is best for Scotland - but we can have very different ideas about what is best for Scotland.

I hated the time leading up to the independence referendum. I felt that there was huge hatred towards people who supported Better Together - there were some places I felt safe to express my views, but not many. I don’t know if Yes supporters felt the same way, but I was too scared to nail my colours to the mast on here or on FB, or to put up any Better Together campaign material - I was genuinely afraid.

It all became so acrimonious that it impacted my mental health really badly- to the extend that, if another one were called, we would be selling up and leaving. I couldn’t take the stress of another one.

BackinTimeforTea · 01/09/2018 17:14

Yes absolutely SDT I voted no because I love Scotland. Love every bit of it. I really hope not to have to see another referendum about anything except reversing Brexit for many years

MorrisZapp · 02/09/2018 10:44

Scotland loving No voter here too. My family are passionate, campaigning nationalists. The Indyref had a horrible effect on me.

For the first time in my life, it dawned on me why we have private voting booths. I've never nodded and smiled so much.

BakedBeans47 · 02/09/2018 13:24

SDTGisAnEvilWolefGenius I agree entirely the stress of the Indyref and the attitudes of some Indy supporters was awful and actually made me ill. If we never have another one it would be too soon.

AlmaGeddon · 02/09/2018 13:51

I voted yes, but now we have a Scottish Gov am so glad it ended no. They seem silly and self important. Not doing much for Scotland (the Gaelic sign posts was AAAaaaaaagh) to me, just nonsense. We are AT LAST having some fancy schools built here, but apart from that everything has got worse (I know a lot of that is the UK gov but the Scottish Gov isn't counteracting it). As far as I can see just strutting their stuff at every opportunity but doing nothing of any good.

Happityhap · 02/09/2018 14:05

I voted yes, but now we have a Scottish Gov

Why do you say that, AlmaGeddon? Are you under the impression that the Scottish government came into existence only after the referendum in 2014? In fact, it was set up in 1999.

As far as I can see the Scottish government is doing its best to counteract the effects of the UK government, bearing in mind that the funds available to the Scottish government are allocated by the UK government.

It would be unrealistic to expect the Scottish government to be able to completely counteract the effects of the UK government.

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