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Do you believe Women can't have penises?

888 replies

loveyouradvice · 28/08/2018 14:36

Just that really.... inspired by the recent sticker campaign.... "Women can't have penises" and "Some women have penises"....

Simple question - simple answer.

Me - Yes, I believe women can't have penises.

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paintedwingsandgiantrings · 31/08/2018 19:54

You need to stop judging people based purely on what's in their knickers.

I don't judge people by what's in their knickers, what emotive bullshit.

I categorise them into make or female.

It's important to my safety to do this, because some men (too many) are a threat to women and it's usually not possible to tell by looking at them.

If you want it to not be important to women whether a stranger is male or female, kindly tell all the predatory men to STOP RAPING WOMEN and the creeps to stop perving on us.

When that happens, then we'll stop worrying about categorising people based on what's in their pants.

Until then, we'll be mindful about our previous experiences with creeps and (sadly, too many of us) with abusers and rapists. And of the evidence that says 1 in 5 women has been sexually assaulted since she was 16.

And we'll ignore people like you who are trying to make us ignore our own boundaries and the instincts and knowledge that keeps us safe.

FloraFox · 31/08/2018 20:25

In what way are they women? I assume they are more sensitive and caring than what is expected of them. They make decisions based on emotion instead of reason. They know in their own head that they're women, that's all that matters.

Firstly, what the fuck?

Secondly, your decision that transwomen are women is based purely on emotion and not reason. Does that make you a woman?

Thirdly, if I say you are an utter fuckwit and I don't care a jot about you, am I too insensitive and uncaring to be a woman? Does that make me a man?

RedDogsBeg · 31/08/2018 20:26

I am sick and tired of woman being reduced to a mere feeling in someone's head and if you believe that IrishDad you must also believe that man is a mere feeling in someone's head too? Therefore, you will be more than happy to have your own existence similarly reduced?

Also, should your daughter, or indeed your wife, decide that they actually 'feel' like a man you will support and positively encourage them to access male only toilets, showers, changing rooms, and should they be found guilty of a criminal offence prisons. You will, of course expect them to do this immediately they say so as of course once you say you are something you automatically are. Your fellow males will obviously, like you, accept this wholeheartedly.

AmyRhodes · 31/08/2018 20:34

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Aeroflotgirl · 31/08/2018 20:42

Well Amy I have never seen a woman with a penis, only a Transwoman, who is a biological Male. women who are biologically Female are not born with penis, unless they develop them in puberty. The law is not above biological fact. Yes I would say my views in public, why would i not. Calling women who are concerned about the erosion of their rights, safety under self ID: angry and frightened and stupid is a disgrace. So we should not be entitled to talk about our concerns and feelings then, shut up and get back in your box you silly women, let the vocal minority TRAS trample right over you and your concerns. Any rational discussion is met with shouts of transphobia.

Aeroflotgirl · 31/08/2018 20:43

Your post totally proves my point.

HavingALittleBabyToolshed · 31/08/2018 20:47

@MNHQ can you confirm if the rape apologist has been banned?

HavingALittleBabyToolshed · 31/08/2018 20:52

Most people agree with you on this topic

I believe the figure is 18%.

DixieFlatline · 31/08/2018 20:54

Oh, and to answer the question: yes women can have penises. According to who?

The fucking law.

That you, Supermatch?

Please explain how the law dictates that actual women can have penises. TIA.

Also - tough times when you have to purport to agree with views such as IrishDad's because you're desperate to wind women up. Really scraping the barrel, no?

SingeBuggerCack · 31/08/2018 21:10

These posters will claim you "must be trolling" to try make you question whether your compassionate and open-minded views are in fact ridiculous. They're not. Stop reading.

Uh, did you even read IrishDad’s posts, particularly the unpleasant deleted one? Because he was CLEARLY trolling. Just a tip, jumping in to agree with someone and defend them when they’ve posted something utterly indefensible does not make you look like a rational and reasonable person.

But perhaps you think that:

That a trans lesbian will get an erection from seeing saggy boobs and cellulite, and will pounce on you? Lol.

is a perfectly acceptable thing to write?

Mrbatmun · 31/08/2018 21:11

IrishDad has indeed been banned (am I allowed to say that on the thread, I reported one of his posts and the reply from MN said he had been banned?)

martinidry · 31/08/2018 21:16

Some adults are like a child. They shout and they scream and they stamp and they are sure that if they keep repeating it it will be true, it will happen.
They are wrong. It matters not if you scream, shout and stamp your little foot. That won't stop the fact that women don't have penises.

Getoffthetableplease · 31/08/2018 21:20

IrishDad and his compassionate views - are you having a fucking laugh AmyRhodes? Since when has a 'put up or shut up, women' attitude been okay. I've seen you talking about your rights as a woman on another thread, would you be happy for your employer to tick his equality box employing a man who feels he's a woman rather than you to avoid maternity leave issues then, or would perhaps your open arms be slightly more tensed at that point?

Datun · 31/08/2018 21:25

These posters will claim you "must be trolling" to try make you question whether your compassionate and open-minded views are in fact ridiculous. They're not. Stop reading.

Excellent amy. You go right ahead and align yourself with a goady, banned troll.

I see you.

SingeBuggerCack · 31/08/2018 21:29

It reminds me a little of a site linked in here recently, although I can’t remember what it was off hand. It might have had something to do with Pride. It commented that GC feminists were trying to portray TRAs as abusive which was clearly ‘absurd’. Then went on to advise people to avoid actions like throwing bottles at GC feminists. So perhaps not that ‘absurd’ then.

It’s this same blind need to pretend to ignore or minimise someone’s incredibly shitty behaviour purely because that person is on the same ‘side’ as you.

thatwouldbeanecumenicalmatter · 31/08/2018 21:37

This is one of those dark corners of the Internet where the angry, the frightened and the stupid have congregated.

And yet here you are @AmyRhodes

🤔

Rufustheyawningreindeer · 31/08/2018 21:38

Excellent amy. You go right ahead and align yourself with a goady, banned troll

What datun said

Smooth move amy

Rufustheyawningreindeer · 31/08/2018 21:56

Well shes definitely one of those thatwould

Grin
Mariatequila · 31/08/2018 22:20

I think the question doesn’t address the key points in the tra movement. It just looks goady I’m afraid.
If someone wants to be called a woman - fine, but that’s not what this is about it’s about

  1. how sexist the tra movement is; absolutely all of the progression and requested progression has been to solely benefit Male trans m2f. Female trans (f2m) haven’t seen any progression (side note: in swimming pools they’re still asked to cover up their chest, yet m2fs enjoy the privilege of all authorities bowing down to their ‘lady penis’ ideology)
  2. sex segregation not gender segregation- why should a social construct dictate segregation for safety purposes as opposed to physical differences?
  3. the privilege Male m2f women have simply because they’re Male - no period poverty, no societal sexual oppression, no having 30% less muscle mass, no being generalised and negatively stereotyped in professional areas etc.
RedDogsBeg · 31/08/2018 22:24

Compassion?? For whom? Oh, yes, I forgot only men who feel like a woman deserve compassion.

Open-minded??? So open-minded your brain has fallen out. Of course, one must only ever listen to men and centre them and assuage their feelings.

To reiterate approximately 18% of the public agree with you and I would hazard a guess that figure will drop the more informed the public become, the more they see and hear of the TRA agenda and the more it impacts on them and theirs.

serialtester · 31/08/2018 22:29

No, women can't have penises.
Trans women can though.
I'm sick of feminist discourse being hijacked by this shit. The issues of trans women are totally separate to that of the issues of natal women. Penis owners have no right to drive feminism.

BertrandRussell · 31/08/2018 22:38

The problem is that probably less than 18% of transwomen believe this stuff too. The other 82% are probably saying “Of course it’s not fair if people who have trained as men and have male bodies compete in women’s sport. Of course women don’t want to shower with male bodied people they don’t know. It’s just obvious!”

RedDogsBeg · 31/08/2018 23:00

It's strange that if most of the public agree with Amy and IrishDad why were the men at the Hampstead Heath Pond so affronted and enraged at the thought of women being in their changing rooms and pond they called the Police. The most telling comment being that the men, under no circumstances, wanted to change alongside women - they wanted their privacy, dignity and comfort preserved free from those who are not biologically the same as them. Well, I never! These men clearly need dose of NK style 're-education', oh no, wait a minute it is only women who must be subjected to that and only women and girls who must relinquish their safety, privacy, dignity and comfort. Progress, compassion and open-mindedness, eh?

tillytop · 01/09/2018 04:25

Further news for able bodied TRA. You're not invading our disabled toilets either. Go and lobby for a third space! Unless men feeling they are women IS a disability?

Ericaequites · 01/09/2018 05:55

My partner is a transman who keeps his (silicone) dicks in the dresser drawer. He doesn't have a penis. Only men have penises. Women can't have penises.