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Do you believe Women can't have penises?

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loveyouradvice · 28/08/2018 14:36

Just that really.... inspired by the recent sticker campaign.... "Women can't have penises" and "Some women have penises"....

Simple question - simple answer.

Me - Yes, I believe women can't have penises.

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SingeBuggerCack · 31/08/2018 17:03

I don’t often facepalm, but good GOD

I think that answers my question about whether you’ve done any research.

so not sure what rights they're looking for. I assume one of them is to be treated with basic respect.

You don’t even know what TRAs are demanding, so how can you possibly justify coming here to lecture us that we’re wrong when it’s pretty clear you don’t have the first clue what it is you think we’re wrong about?

FermatsTheorem · 31/08/2018 17:17

"In what way are they women? I assume they are more sensitive and caring than what is expected of them. They make decisions based on emotion instead of reason. They know in their own head that they're women, that's all that matters."

OMG, that's where I've been going wrong all these years. There was me thinking (what with producing a baby and breast feeding and all) that I was a straight woman. But, with my PhD in a highly mathematical science, and a training in mathematical logic, not to mention all those years playing Sunday league football and actually understanding the offside rule and all... I'm a man.

(Channels inner Jack Lemmon) "I'm a man, I'm a man, I'm a man, oh god, I'm a man..."

IrishDadof2 · 31/08/2018 17:18

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birdsdestiny · 31/08/2018 17:19

I am allowed to still be a feminist if I am no longer a woman? I will check one of the thousand threads on can men be feminists and report back.

birdsdestiny · 31/08/2018 17:20

The dilemma is whether to report or leave his posts to stand for all to see.

PlantsArePeopleToo · 31/08/2018 17:22

That a trans lesbian will get an erection from seeing saggy boobs and cellulite, and will pounce on you? Lol.

Hmm Yes rape is just hilarious.

FermatsTheorem · 31/08/2018 17:22

Are we allowed to skip through the green meadows beneath the Alps yodelling "troll-lee-loll-lee-lay" these days or is that a deletable offence?

Datun · 31/08/2018 17:24

Some men are just very, very angry.

No woman wants them, so they take it out on all women.

PlantsArePeopleToo · 31/08/2018 17:25
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Frequency · 31/08/2018 17:28

What are you afraid of?

I'm afraid that one of the sensitive, caring transwomen threatening to rape lesbian daughter with their lady dick online because she won't say she is attracted to transwomen, just like you won't, will actually carry out their threat.

I'm afraid a rapist will use self-id to be on the same hospital ward as my elderly grandmother so he can sexually assault her.

I'm afraid if my daughters ever need a refuge, a rapist will use self-id to get close to them.

I'm afraid if transwomen win the right to self-id my daughter's 5ft4, 7 stone trans boyfriend will be forced to use men's facilities where men won't even have to self-id to gain access to him.

I'm afraid this culture of not questioning the trans movement is the only reason this mentally ill, depressed anorexic teen is trans and I'm afraid for his future if it doesn't stop before he comes of age and is able to access hormone treatment that will leave him sterile for life when his actual issues is most likely anorexia and depression and the trans thing is merely a symptom of that.

Do you want me to go on? Or would you like to explain why trans rights are more important than my daughter's rights or her trans boyfriend's rights?

birdsdestiny · 31/08/2018 17:29

What was the name of that other tosser who was banned recently. Had dad in their name too. Its all very familiar.

Frequency · 31/08/2018 17:33

I think his posts should stay. While I find it difficult to believe anyone could be so lacking in emotional intelligence (and actual intelligence) he is parroting a lot of the frequently asked questions and getting sensible rebuttals in the process.

It might help peak trans some lurkers if they realize this is what actual people, actually believe.

Datun · 31/08/2018 17:35

I don't think for a minute he does believe it. It's too foolishly laid out. He's just a very angry man.

Mrbatmun · 31/08/2018 17:40

What are you afraid of? That a trans lesbian will get an erection from seeing saggy boobs and cellulite, and will pounce on you? Lol.

Stop, you are so hilarious my sides are splitting, rape is soooooooo funny......

SingeBuggerCack · 31/08/2018 17:43

Jesus. All these misogynistic men who wet themselves at the chance to berate women while looking like they’re protecting a minority group that they probably secretly despise.

Italiangreyhound · 31/08/2018 17:58

Frequency an excellent post. So truthful, caring and poignant.

The strength of thse arguments against the dumbass comments of the uninformed is so blindingly obvious.

I hope your daughter and her trans man partner will be safe and well.

( as an aside...)

One argument (I feel) in favour of third safe enclosed toilet facilities as well as female and male is for trans men. Trans men who will perhaps be at serious risk being physically smaller and lighter than males, but may feel unable to easily use facilities for women. In these debates trans men are rarely mentioned.

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SandraTheBee · 31/08/2018 18:32

You need to stop judging people based purely on what's in their knickers.
written by a man, that is seriously one of the funniest remarks I have read for a long time. Thanks irishdad Smile

Fromage · 31/08/2018 18:45

IrishDadof2 is without doubt here to troll, dictate and lord it about, but what he has said is what so many people believe. The difference between him and someone more open minded, questioning and interesting in hearing the other side of the debate, is that they would listen and try to understand, not bang on with the same reasoning of 'I think this, this has been my experience, therefore I'm right and you're wrong.'

That said, I'm glad he answered my question (What is our problem with a harmless man or transwoman, why do we fear them?) finally but as we've all seen, his answer was entirely wrong ("It's a fear of the other. Once we start treating them like human fucking beings, and not monsters, the fear and suspicion will subside.")

Turns out a bunch of women all gave him the right answer to the question but if he concedes he was wrong, he undermines everything he's posted - because if we're right about the reasons we've learned and been taught fear, and that the abusers and rapists and perverts look exactly like every other man/transwoman, we're right to be objecting to transwomen taking over women's spaces.

Also, it really made me laugh when he described a transwoman's penis as "shrivelled up beyond recognition with all the hormones" when he still wouldn't want to fuck a femine looking transwoman who easily passed as a woman.

You know what hypocrisy is? It's irrational. The very thing of which you accuse women.

YetAnotherSpartacus · 31/08/2018 18:47

The things some pathetic wankstains will do to get women's attention eh?

JAPAB · 31/08/2018 18:55

You need to stop judging people based purely on what's in their knickers.

Sounds like you agree with Riley J Dennis that if for you a person having a particular type of genitalia is a deal-breaker, then it is like you are objectifying them, but rather than reducing them to objects, you are reducing them to just their genials. So you are genitalifying them.

BertrandRussell · 31/08/2018 19:05

“You need to stop judging people based purely on what's in their knickers”
When it comes to who I want to have sex with, then I am perfectly fine with judging people by what’s in their knickers, or between their legs. Or whatever repellent tweet expression you care to use. I am a straight woman. I like having sex with people with penises. If I was a lesbian I would like having sex with people with vaginas.

It would be different if we were talking about friendship, or professional relationships. But sex? Genitals matter.

RedDogsBeg · 31/08/2018 19:11

I was going to type a response to IrishDad but he and his attitude are beyond contempt, the misogyny and disdain for women just drips out of his posts, his poor daughter.

Funny how the live and let live and basic respect mantra from the IrisdDad types never applies to males welcoming and accepting trans women as a subset of males into their spaces and on their dating lists isn't it? It's always women who must give way and cater for men's feelings isn't it.

IfNotNowThenWhen1 · 31/08/2018 19:17

Sooo....is it completely ok for a 15 year old transboy ( aka a biological girl) to shower naked with a bunch of 15 year old boys?
If not, why not?

It's the same as a transgirl showering with girls, no? If we are all so obsessed with the superficial few inches of flesh you would be totally ok with your trans son doing this Irish?
And do answer the question please, as I'm dying to know

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loveyouradvice · 31/08/2018 19:26

What a great question Ifnotnow....waiting for an answer

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SingeBuggerCack · 31/08/2018 19:33

Sounds like you agree with Riley J Dennis that if for you a person having a particular type of genitalia is a deal-breaker, then it is like you are objectifying them, but rather than reducing them to objects, you are reducing them to just their genials. So you are genitalifying them.

Thanks for the reminder of how fundamentally homophobic some transgender ideology is. How anyone is able to see this and not see it as an attempt to coerce women into sleeping with people with penises is beyond me.

Actually, no it's not. They do see it. They just don't care.