Do you believe Women can't have penises?

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Just that really.... inspired by the recent sticker campaign.... "Women can't have penises" and "Some women have penises"....

Simple question - simple answer.

Me - Yes, I believe women can't have penises.

BOSSWITCH I absolutely agree with you. A man is unhappy and it must be a woman's fault. They have always wanted what is ours, have taken pretty much everything they could

I speak for myself AnEPleaseBob and I was offended by the first part. As for You will one day though it's threatening. Think seriously about your comments and the effects it may have on others.

I also reject the cis label because I find it insulting to suggest that womanhood is something I 'identify' as. Im pretty sure being a woman is something people experience differently and means different things to different people. I dont see why any one group should get to define it and that includes trans women. If you are happy to be called a trans woman or a cis woman or whatever then fine. But I reject the cis label because I do not feel that I inherently identify as 'woman'... I feel the word woman is something used to describe me by society and that it is in part a word of oppression. Woman for me is something I had to work around and with and sometimes hard to accept realities and dangers of your own body. I think its actually the same for a lot of 'cis' women. Woman is a word that unites people who face a certain set of events due to their body and how society views their body.

Whilst I know that other people will define the word differently I personally dont wish it to be assumed that I identify with/as anything. Why the fuck should I?

I'm not being drawn into a debate here because I can hear many of you are frightened, and you can't reason rationally when you're frightened.

Oh do fuck off with your patronising bullshit.

I'm not frightened. I was trying to explain to you the reality of being a woman in our society.

1 in 5 women in the UK have been sexually abused since they were 16. If you also count abuse under 16, the figure rises.

We've all been made to feel uncomfortable by sleezy men.

Men are kept out of single sex spaces because it's the most effective way to keep women and children safe. Whether you believe transwomen are women or men, is irrelevant to this safeguarding debate.

What matters is whether they have male or female patterns of violence. And the evidence shows transwomen have male patterns of violence. Take sex crime, for example. 60 transwomen are in UK prisons for sex crimes. That's approaching 50% of transwomen in prisons. For comparison, 19% of the whole prison population are sex criminals, and only 3% of female prisoners.

Therefore, as far as safeguarding goes, transwomen should be treated as men.

You obviously haven't a clue what it's like to be a woman. The experiences I wrote about aren't unusual. They're normal, because so many men are pervs. I really wish it wasn't so.

Until men stop abusing us, we'll keep on speaking out. By trying to silence us or dismiss our concerns, you're siding with people who wish us harm and putting us at risk.

Yes, trans people get harassed by arseholes. But it's not a competition. That doesn't negate the fact that single sex exemptions are there to protect women, and letting transwomen in damages those protections.

A woman can't have a penis.

Women do not have penises. Gender is a dangerous social construct I'd be happy to see done away with but as long as gender still exists, I am happy for people to live in their chosen gender but sex and sex segregated spaces and activities need to be protected.
Exactly.

If you're worried about your children, I'd worry about the more likely possibility that they might themselves be a trans person and one day be on the wrong end this fucking bile.

Amy you think it’s more likely that my son will end up trans than that my daughter will end up disadvantaged by male privilege/subject to sexual discrimination/subject to male sexual assault/subject to sexual harassment?

You can’t really believe that?

What world do you live in?

I’d appreciate a response because I’m astounded by your statement.

AmyRhodes "I'm not being drawn into a debate here

Translation I’m going to stick my fingers in my ears and close my eyes, so I don’t have to acknowledge the reality of women and girls being at risk, as it might mean I have to stop being ‘woke’.la la lal la 🙈🙉

I can reason rationally when frightened.
It's multitasking at its most basic.

Loftily dismissing women's opinions and discussion as hysterical nonsense - which is what I think AmyRhodes is saying - when it conflicts with one's own, is an uncommon female trait but a bog standard way of men silencing women.

As for 'worry about your own dick or fanny' - women are worried about their fannies because of men's dicks, do you see?

Women don’t have penises. That’s the whole point. Women have a completely different physical, genetic and biological makeup to men. Some men like to would like to be women or have a fetish about the aspects of the female body - that does not make them a woman. And it does not give them the right to invade female only spaces.

I did had to complete an equalities and diversity questionnaire at work recently. One of the questions was something like ‘is your gender identity the same as the gender you were assigned at birth’? What a load of twaddle.

So many of the issues are tied into masculinity, the claimed suicide risk that keeps being bandied about always to seems to ignore the plain fact that for men under 50 suicide is the biggest cause of death, it's not a massive leap to see why this wouldn't affect trans women as they're technically men.

Women are not to blame for toxic masculinity, we're not the gatekeepers of society nor should it be our job to take in every vulnerable group. No having a penis does not make you a woman, perhaps men need to have a look at why they think wearing make up or a dress means you can't be a man, women don't feel their 'true selves' because they're wearing a suit or trousers. This is shit for men to deal with, our identities and spaces should not be carte blanche to every gender non conforming male or fetishist.

I am a woman.

I have got a penis.

DH modelled it, based upon his own, out of finest blu tack while watching the telly and left it on the sideboard staring at me.

I put pins in it.

DH got the message.

Hey Sally, was it erect or flaccid? Enquiring minds want to know.

Yes, there are men who will kick the shit out of men who don't conform to masculinity. There are men who beat and rape women.There's probably quite a compelling overlap between these men.
The answer is not to force women to accept more men in their spaces and to leave the male violence in place

See, that seems completely rational to me.
I'm not a silly, frightened woman who doesn't understand what's best for me. And I don't need smelling salts at the thought that some men like to wear women's knickers. Some of us have had somewhat interesting lives. We are not fainting maidens in Jane Austen novels FFS.

"trans people are getting the shit kicked out of them far more often than they are sneaking into ladies changing rooms and being deviant."

And who is doing this to them? People who are biologically male, of course. So why do you think it's OK for trans people to have concerns about their treatment by men, but not for women to have such concerns?

Fully erect, overly erect actually, looked a bit like the Eiffel Tower from a distance. Now it looks like the Eiffel Tower with a firework going off behind it.

DH says I'm an evil voodoo woman and he's frightened to go for a piss incase it starts spraying out of the end like spray hose.

Maybe it was the model for the infamous Eifel Tower candle brought back from Paris by the daughter of a Mumsnetter.... Id have been surprised if it was flaccid to be honest.

No. Women can't have penises.

Happy for men to call themselves Sue, dress as a women and 'behave' like a woman. I do not give one hoot. Absolutely live and let live.

I am NOT happy for men to enter female only spaces, take positions meant for women or to compete against women in sport. Their feelz and fears and need for safety and acceptance do not overdue mine. So live and let live can go fuck itself in this instance.

If you honestly are happy with the erosion of female only spaces etc knock yourself out saying live and let live. But there are women who have been raped and assaulted by 'women' with penises who would not have been had these people not had access to their space. You are happy for your teenage daughter to have to dorm and shower with a teenage male with a functioning penis? Happy for your son to be pressured to having sex with a 'woman' with a penis or be told he is transphobic. You will tell him to live and let live?

You think I'm being ridiculous? Head over to Twitter. It is happening.

Until this becomes mainstream knowledge and people understand exactly what is happening, there can never be too many threads.

Most Trans keep their dicks. Some don't even bother to vaguely look women, they just feelz it.

I would like to believe that like men who do not present as women are mostly a ok. I still don't want them in female only spaces and positions or compete against them. The same goes with men who present as women - would like to believe most are sound, but still don't want them in my spaces etc. There are documented cases of rape by these people. One rape is one too many. Rape is always unacceptable but when it happens in a place where women should not have had to have faced this risk - massively unacceptable. Find another solution to help these people. A solution that does not put women at risk.

Live and let live - but not when it poses a danger to others.

Jess Bradley a leading voice for self ID, acceptance of 'women have penises, erosion of female only spaces is under investigation for the CRIME (not fucking kink) of flashing in public and post in pics of their dick online.

David Challenor has just been sentenced to 22 years for torturing and raping a 10yr old girl while he was dressed as a little girl. This man is the father of Green Party deputy leader contestant Aimee Challenor who despite knowing the charges against their father employed him as their campaign manager. Aimee also has a penis and along with the father campaigns for the erosion of female only spaces and for self ID.

Threats of rape, violence and prosecutions against 60 year old women just for saying they will defend themselves if they are attacked. Hell one 60 year old woman WAS beaten up by a Trans person. There can never be enough threads.

My daughter has been sexually harassed since she was eleven She was an early developer. It happens in front of me. On one occasion someone screamed from a window, asking her to perform oral sex on him and telling she had a nice arse. When she declined to answer he told her she was a slut. She was 12. The next year, a thirty-something year old man dropped to his knees and asked her to marry him. When, again, she declined to answer, he asked if he could at least get a kiss. She was thirteen. He didn't leave her alone, even when I told him she was only thirteen. I had to threaten to punch him to get him away. He then told me a I was a lesbian

This is what happens in front of me. Away from me she's had men grab her hand and beg her to kiss them, follow her home, cat-call her, scream lesbian at her, ask her to perform oral sex on her trans-boyfriend in front of them, take pictures of her and inform her she's only gay because she hasn't had the right cock yet.

Do I want people with penises allowed in changing rooms with her? Do I fuck. I don't care if they're wearing a dress. I don't care if they've lived as a woman for thirty years, if they have a functioning penis they are a potential threat to her safety.

Not to mention the fact that due to her experiences, she wouldn't go to these places if men were allowed. She stopped going swimming when our leisure center made unisex changing rooms because in her words "If that's what they do in public, what will men do if they're alone with me in a changing room?"

She's a big supporter of trans rights and firmly believes if someone says they are a woman, they are a woman but even she struggles when it comes to accepting penises in her space. Her experiences have taught her penises present a danger to her.

Her only crime is being blonde, tall, slim and having a D cup. She doesn't dress proactively and at one point considered transitioning to male herself because she was scared to be female.

Of course, most transwomen would not sexually harass my daughter but neither would most men, yet it still happens to her at least once a week.

"trans people are getting the shit kicked out of them far more often than they are sneaking into ladies changing rooms and being deviant."

Far more than - so the admission is there that there are deviants. The fact that men are attacking men for not conforming does not mean women should accept the risk or rather the fact that some deviants are invading our spaces with ill intent. Stop making us your shields, stop throwing us under the bus, taking our identity, rights, safety, positions and even history from us. Stop trying to make us accept you into our spaces. Instead educate men to accept you and to treat you with respect. Most women do accept your right to present as you wish. Very few are happy to have you in their places tho.

Target the men who are kicking the shit out of you. That they are doing so is NOT an excuse to place women in danger

Oh, and she also left an online LQBT+ group because a transgirl sent her pictures of her 'girldick' and asked her what she thought of it.

She doesn't have pictures of herself online. She deleted them all after she got her first dick pic. Her profile pic is solid black. Her profile doesn't even say if she is male or female. She still gets dick pics if she reveals she is a young woman.

Frequency I would say her crime is being female, her attributes may well make it more frequent but it's not by any stretch the cause. I have had all of those things when I used to get the bus, my school uniform had a big logo which clearly stated 'P hill Junior school', I was pretty underdeveloped and always worse uniform a few years smaller as I'm short, it didn't stop the comments, I quickly learned that if there was no seat next to an old lady I would stand by the bus driver and upstairs was completely off limits, which is sad as I used to love being up high.

Course a woman CANNOT have a penis! What is wrong with the world?! Ffs

A while back on this thread someone mentioned 'ladycock'. Seriously. Google this and google 'girldick. The images you find (ignore Pornhub) will leave you in no doubt that this is about kink and fetish to so many men.