Do you believe Women can't have penises?

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Just that really.... inspired by the recent sticker campaign.... "Women can't have penises" and "Some women have penises"....

Simple question - simple answer.

Me - Yes, I believe women can't have penises.

Posting @Frequency reply again as it's excellent

Women do not have penises. Gender is a dangerous social construct I'd be happy to see done away with but as long as gender still exists, I am happy for people to live in their chosen gender but sex and sex segregated spaces and activities need to be protected.

If you live as a woman but have a penis you are biologically male. You belong in a male prison, male sports, male changing rooms, male refuges etc as those spaces are separated by sex not gender. If you wish to present as a woman while you're doing that is your choice and you should be safe and free from prejudice in making that choice.

I also believe, as far as prisons go and possibly some other spaces, we need a third space. I can't see a MtF person being safe in a male prison but don't accept we should endanger women to keep them safe. Trans rights don't trump women's right. Both groups have the right to be safe.

It’s seen as transphobic as to repeatedly state it without context is obviously intended as an attack on trans women.

Except it isn't, is it?

I don't know any gender-critical woman who wanted to spend any of her time on this shit. If you'd told me a decade ago that I'd spend time in 2018 in front of the telly, carefully cutting around cartoon willies saying "women don't have penises" to blutac on bathroom doors, because saying it in public would get me attacked, I'd have said you were mad.

It's because of all the transactivists saying things like this to 15 year-old girls...

"i can't believe you don't think i can be a woman because I have a cock. wtf. you wont be saying my girlcock isnt really female when im using your young terf cunt as a cum dump. you will fucking bow to my girldick. you will fucking choke on my girldick. fuck you"

...that we have to waste our time saying the obvious, that women don't have penises. Because women don't, indeed, have penises.

Women don't have a penis.

It's a biological fact and in no way casts any hate towards transwomen.

Transwomen are transwomen, biologically male and almost always retain a fully functioning penis. It is for this reason that they cannot be treated as women in all circumstances. They deserve the same protections that everyone does and should not be discriminated against, but women must retain the protections that they need due to their biology.

HavingALittleBabyToolshed I am so sorry to hear of your experiences.

I have lots of sympathy for people with dysphoria. But women do not have penises. And self Id will hurt genuine trans people, IMHO.

Man forces penis into places where women have said no, dont want it. Where have I heard that before?

Women can not have penieses

Can someone please explain to me what it feels like to be a woman? I am a biologically female adult woman, with female chromosomes and female genitals. I dont know what it feels like to be a woman, I just am one. It's a genuine question not an attempt to be goading in any way. What feeling is so intrinsically female it defines a person's gender ?
You don't know what it feels like to be a woman because being a woman is a fact, it's not a feeling. You either ARE a woman, i.e. you were born with a woman's body, or you are not a woman. You can't FEEL like a woman because that is a completely meaningless concept.

I always wonder if the people who think that men can be women if they feel feminine inside and should be able to access womens spaces, feel the same way about adult babies and LGs etc. Should they be able to go into nurseries?
You've given me nightmares with that image! Good point though.

How can someone feel like a woman, if they have never been one! Therefore how do they know women feel, for each woman it is different, and is not necessarily the sterotyped image that is perpetuated. Would a Transwoman like to be more masculine looking, short hair, butch, wearing masculine clothes, for some women, that is their womanhood. I don't think so! It is only the stereotyped female ideal, of long hair, lots of make up and dresses that they tend to go for.

To say some women have penis, when the penis is responsible for raping and assaulting some biological women, it is used to assert control over them by their Male owner, is disgusting and insulting. Women have never had penis, 10 years ago, this idea would be peposterous, now we are made by TRA (including biological females) to accept this, or we are bigots. I know one biological woman, who constantly posts on Facebook about hating TERFS, and campaigns to close down Facebook pages by Feminists who disagree with the whole Transwomen are women thing.

I as a biological woman, never perpetuated the female ideal, as a girl, I had short spiky hair, loved masculine clothes, but was happy in my own skin as a girl, I never longed to be a boy, I just did not follow the stereotypes. As a straight women, I still have short hair, jeans, t shirts and trainers. I live in them, I hardly wear make up. I own a couple of dresses for special occassions.

As said a couple of posts ago trans women only ever want to look like barbie. They don't want to look like actual women because actual women don't dress like them. I can't work it out.

Sandra that’s not correct. I worked with two trans woman, both late 40s. Both wore jeans with their hair tied back and not noticeable makeup. They were normal people who were just getting on with their life not flaunting it in everyone’s faces, they were both like ‘tom boys’ is probably the best way to describe.
The fact is you don’t know everyone who’s trans, your daughters teacher could be, your dance coach, your mechanic. You only notice the ones you want to notice and criticise. There are lots of trans people going about their lives that you wouldn’t have given a thought to.

I think you are right Confidence, people's perception of Transwomen, are the stereotypes that are portrayed in the media, by the TRAS, who perpetuate the female stereotype and shout over biological women, not the ones who quietly go about their lives.

As said a couple of posts ago trans women only ever want to look like barbie. They don't want to look like actual women because actual women don't dress like them. I can't work it out.

Bit of a generalisation, not all transwomen present themselves like that, some dress like actual women, and some born women do. Are you saying it’s ok for born women to present like that because they are women, but if transwomen do it they are perpetuating an unacceptable gender stereotype?

Most natural born women don't dress like that though- there is a far greater variation in the dress of those born as women than there is of trans women. because trans women don't actually know what being a woman is- they have, from what can see and from what I have read some twisted view of hair extensions- long nails and too much make up. Sure some natural born women also adopt this look. but percentage wise not as much as trans.

I haven't got any issue with trans people who go about their daily lives and leave women alone, don't force themselves into women's spaces and attempt to redefine what being a woman is ignorer to count themselves as women - see my earlier spaniel posts.
It's those nasty pieces of work who are out to crush women and what is means to be a woman that I really dislike.

I'm sorry, but most trans people don't pass. The uncanny valley effect is just too strong.

In photos, some do. However, when you see them in motion, they rarely do. A good example,s of this is India Willoughby. Before they went into celeb BB, I thought (from photos) that they passed. However, as soon as I saw them walking around next to natal women, it was obvious.

If you got all of your information on bio woman from the media you’d think we all looked like that? The kardashian look is plastered on every magazine about ‘beauty’ yet you’re surprised this look is what’s portrayed by the trans community too?

I just find this whole thread very offensive. I asked MN to remove it, but they haven't - fair enough I guess there is something about free speach.

However, why so much hatred? If somone wants to identify as a woman, just let them do so. What harm does it do you?

Why can't everyone just get on?

But they don't just identify as women- that's the whole point if they did and quietly got on with it- just like natal women do, you know, quietly get on with being women there wouldn't be an issue. However they are men, demanding and entitled as men tend to be. They demand access to women's spaces and tell women what it means to be a woman. The can identify however they want, identifying as a woman does not make you one though.

"However, why so much hatred? If somone wants to identify as a woman, just let them do so. What harm does it do you?"
Is this a genuine question? Do you really see no issues that need to be discussed and compromised on before it's OK for anyone to be able to self ID as a woman? Have you thought about sport, or provisions that have been put in place to sort out the underrepresentation of women in various sectors? Have you thought about the dignity and privacy of the elderly and vulnerable? Of course people should be able to live how they want to live, free of prejudice or harassment and protected by law. But there are issues that need to. E discussed and compromises to be made. And there seems to be very little discussion going on.

Thats' true, but I see born women all around me and they don't dress like that. Who knows maybe a trans woman was dressed like normal woman and I didn't even notice. They do tend to be very obvious though, I guess that's because they are intact men dressing up as women. I haven't got an issue with men dressing up as women as long as they don't make it my business.

And why is any question automatically called "hatred". How can we get anywhere in that climate?

However, why so much hatred? If somone wants to identify as a woman, just let them do so. What harm does it do you?

Show me the hatred. All I see are women asserting their boundaries and refusing to accept that being a woman is nothing more than a feeling. I find it downright insulting to be told I’m full of hatred for refusing to believe the fallacy that a woman is a mere thought or feeling.

If you want to know what harm it does women and girls, try reading and educating yourself.

It's those nasty pieces of work who are out to crush women and what is means to be a woman that I really dislike.

How many of these are there, as a proportion of trans women generally and why are they given so much of the oxygen of publicity? Genuine questions.

And why is any question automatically called "hatred". How can we get anywhere in that climate

It's a variant on an old theme. Feminists have always been called man-haters - you know, when they demanded the right to vote, spoke out against rape and domestic violence and asked for reproductive rights and equal pay. Anything other than sheer cocksucking obsequience is 'man-hating'.