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Do you believe Women can't have penises?

888 replies

loveyouradvice · 28/08/2018 14:36

Just that really.... inspired by the recent sticker campaign.... "Women can't have penises" and "Some women have penises"....

Simple question - simple answer.

Me - Yes, I believe women can't have penises.

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Branleuse · 28/08/2018 20:43

I always wonder if the people who think that men can be women if they feel feminine inside and should be able to access womens spaces, feel the same way about adult babies and LGs etc
Should they be able to go into nurseries?

WineGummyBear · 28/08/2018 20:44

I think Frequency got it right on the first page

OkPedro · 28/08/2018 20:45

RatRolyPoly thinks they are oh so clever and witty
Answer for everything with a little clever joke thrown in
It's tiresome

FermatsTheorem · 28/08/2018 20:47

It’s seen as transphobic as to repeatedly state it without context is obviously intended as an attack on trans women.

But by the same token, it's a gynophobic attack on women to repeatedly state "some women have penises, get over it."

This isn't an issue of what we would say to individuals in our circle of acquaintances any more, it's now a political battle over whether women, the historically oldest oppressed group in the world, have the right to self-define themselves, to have their own spaces, their own political movements, to describe themselves as a distinct group from the men who have historically done the oppressing.

If "woman" ceases to mean woman, then we can't talk about sex-based violence, sex-based discrimination, sex-based oppression any more. If we roll over and allow the nonsense statement "some women have penises" to go unchallenged, we are allowing ourselves to be shat on from a great height.

Women's changing rooms - gone. Women's domestic violence shelters - gone (men carry out 90% of violent offences, against both men and women). Women's rape crisis centres - gone (men make up 98% of sex offenders). Women's right to ask for female medical professionals to carry out intimate exams - gone. Elderly, infirm women's right to ask for a female carer to wipe their arse - gone. Women's sports - gone. Women prisoners' right to be imprisoned free from the threat (and actuality) of male violence that they literally cannot escape from - gone.

We - women - did not start this fight. We were happy to accord the old-fashioned, dysphoric transsexuals the courtesy of using "she" and calling them by female names, of pretending we didn't notice they were in fact male. And in exchange, decent, old-fashioned transsexuals didn't push women's boundaries.

But the new school of transgender warriors - the Danielle Muscato "suck my dick on international women's day" variety - they are dangerous, they are intent on colonising women's spaces as an exercise in male dominance, and we cannot let them go unchallenged.

user838383 · 28/08/2018 20:48

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NormaNameChange · 28/08/2018 20:55

Can someone please explain to me what it feels like to be a woman? I am a biologically female adult woman, with female chromosomes and female genitals. I dont know what it feels like to be a woman, I just am one. It's a genuine question not an attempt to be goading in any way. What feeling is so intrinsically female it defines a person's gender ?

dontbringmedown · 28/08/2018 21:00

Where were all these penised women when women were being oppressed and treated as second class citizens? They didn't join our fight for equality at any point. Instead they just want to take away what we have fought so hard to get.

You'll wait a long time for an answer.
They never answer the important questions. Ever.

Postino · 28/08/2018 21:08

I would still like to hear the 'new' definition of gender, the one that isn't synonymous with gender stereotypes. Because no one would support that would they? Is it really "a feeling"?

dontbringmedown · 28/08/2018 21:08

I believe it is my right to enter crufts in the pedigree dog class and forge my own vision as to what it really means to be a spaniel. ( I have a pair of fake fur ears).

Grin
BlinkingHeckWA · 28/08/2018 21:29

Women don't have penises / Men have penises.

SandraTheBee · 28/08/2018 21:30

SPOFS I agree; that was a very silly example. Spaniels have heads too! How about that we are human beings?

DieAntword · 28/08/2018 21:32

They can only in the sense that Sada Abe had one.

SPOFS · 28/08/2018 21:41

@SandraTheBee

But natal men are humans too?

I'll rephrase my question:

What do trans women have in common with natal women that they do not have in common with natal men?

SchadenfreudePersonified · 28/08/2018 21:50

I believe it is my right to enter crufts in the pedigree dog class

I hope you have the necessary record of good breeding.

It is one thing to identify as a spaniel (and who can blame you? . . . the silky hair . . . the soulful eyes . . . the opportunity pee in public without giving a damn . . .) it is another to go around claiming to be better bred than you really are.

SandraTheBee · 28/08/2018 21:54

SPOFS. My fault for misunderstanding the initial question. Actually I can't give you an answer .

SandraTheBee · 28/08/2018 21:57

But since I demand the right to bring my own meaning to the term spaniel it matters not on jot what any previous terms were. That is the beauty of my plan you see?

IncrediblySturdyPyjamas · 28/08/2018 22:23

Says it all really.

Do you believe Women can't have penises?
AnEPleaseBob · 28/08/2018 22:28

But I would never tell a trans woman she wasn’t a real woman in my view because it’s unnecessarily provocative and goady

Well neither would I, in that I wouldn't bring up the conversation, But I bloody would say it if they started the conversation with "I am a woman just as much as you are and I demand access to all spaces reserved for women". And I hope you would too?

loveyouradvice · 28/08/2018 22:33

So.... if anyone else is still there ... what do you think?

Very very very few supporting Some women can have penises ... although almost all supportive of Transpeople living a life free of prejudice

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loveyouradvice · 28/08/2018 22:34

so far....

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IncrediblySturdyPyjamas · 28/08/2018 22:39

This is what those that think women have penises are supporting.

TRAs, twitter, tonight.

standbyyourmammaryglands · 28/08/2018 22:40

I always wonder if the people who think that men can be women if they feel feminine inside and should be able to access womens spaces, feel the same way about adult babies and LGs etc
Should they be able to go into nurseries?

Well yes. Interesting point

standbyyourmammaryglands · 28/08/2018 22:44

Incredibly vile. But I’m not surprised.Bear

standbyyourmammaryglands · 28/08/2018 22:45

Bear was not intended ! Was trying for Angry

AintNoCista · 28/08/2018 23:33

Surely they should hate their penis? The one thing that most definitely makes them a man? I just cannot understand the logic behind those tweets.

Those sort of pictures confirm the fears of those who understand the issue. These are men, men who are trying to redefine women and put their themselves, along with their male genitalia, where it's not wanted and where it's simply not allowed.