Do you believe Women can't have penises?

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Just that really.... inspired by the recent sticker campaign.... "Women can't have penises" and "Some women have penises"....

Simple question - simple answer.

Me - Yes, I believe women can't have penises.

pear simply by insisting that they are female when they are not they are trying to redefine what makes someone female. Many insist that they have women's rights and can go in female only spaces etc etc

One thing which scares me is the extent to which local authorities, schools, health trusts, children's organisations etc have silently acquiesced to the TRA demands to pretend that self-declared gender identity is a protected characteristic, rather than using the correct characteristics of sex and gender reassignment.

The apparent bypassing of safeguarding considerations in order to accommodate the TRA agenda without question is already putting women and children at risk in situations where single-sex exemptions should be in place.

although cubicles are always available, so you can get privacy while disrobing

My gym does not have cubicles. They allow people with penises to enter the female facilities, I have revoked my membership as have upwards of 20 other women at that one location.

One thing which scares me is the extent to which local authorities, schools, health trusts, children's organisations etc have silently acquiesced to the TRA demands to pretend that self-declared gender identity is a protected characteristic, rather than using the correct characteristics of sex and gender reassignment.

Especially when you look at who is in charge of shaping those policies.

inertia I know. It’s like a magic wand has been waved and they all hypnotically got aboard the trans bus. Where was the safe guarding? Schools especially as they are centres of education. What are they going to do when the students come across the biology books? Burn them ??

No cubicles in my gym either, showers and changing all communal.

As I said, I had my fair share of sexual abuse and harassment, also from an early age, most of it by men, some by women, the worst sexual violence - actually, plain violence - I ever experienced was from a woman I was living with. Terrible relationship. As was the one with a man that followed. Do my poor, sick, compromised choices of partner in my early years have to form the basis of public policy? Nearly 100% of sex crimes on men are committed by men. Does this mean my 17 year old son can't shower safely next to another naked man? Shit, should I not let him leave home ever? I agree with you that young bodies are fetishised to sell products - look at Lynx adverts, for example. Oh....

I think my earlier statements (that I would draw the line around protecting policies and institutions that are designed to correct the historical bias and discrimination that women experience from incursion from transwomen) demonstrate that I am not blind to the structural injustices experienced by women. I'm clear where I say no, you can't be female for this purpose, go and make your own list/target/safe space. I'm just not convinced that changing rooms are something that I, personally, would get het up about.

And, since you brought it up, I don't think having segregated changing spaces EVER stopped someone having sexual fantasies. Why, just yesterday morning, I had a sexual fantasy involving two women. Very nice and effective it was in bringing about an extremely satisfying orgasm too. So fucking shoot me.

Just like I would be if it said -
‘Do you believe all woman can breastfeed’ ‘Do you believes all woman can reproduce

No not like that. Some women can't breastfeed, we know this. And some can but find it difficult or practically impossible. But the fact that it was ever on the table that they might breastfeed is.... because they are women. The only people who can breastfeed are women.

Not all women can reproduce. But the ones that can will do it by growing the baby in their uterus and giving birth to it out of their vaginas. Not by impregnating anyone else. If they're not able to do that, obviously they're still women. But they won't be getting tests to see what's up with their sperm. They won't be wondering if they should be worrying about their uterus or their semen: they know which set of sexual and reproductive organs is at issue.

"I don't find men, and their penises, inherently threatening. Why are you unsafe because the person next to you in the shower has a penis"

I have plenty of male relatives who I feel perfectly safe around. However, it doesn't mean that I want to be naked around them or that they would want to be naked around me. We all value our privacy.

If I absolutely have to be in a state of undress near other people then I would very much prefer that they didn't have penises. And no, women do not have penises.

you’re all going to flame me now

I never understand this

Do you not think that telling a whole bunch of people that youve never met and don't know the family circumstances of that you know they are going to be mean...even if they havent been mean is actually quite a mean thing to do

Women, seeing down the road where self ID could lead us have to stand up for themselves. Being nice is not going to cut it - though nowhere have GC women exhibited the extensive hatred that a section of TRAs have

No where near. Yet when we voice our concerns we get called bigots. It’s all a bit sided when folk find it easier to ignore what’s happening.

Nearly 100% of sex crimes on men are committed by men. Does this mean my 17 year old son can't shower safely next to another naked man?

And you know what? That’s terrible. No child should ever feel scared.

Male violence is terrible. They don’t want to own it and they don’t want to challenge each other. As a result people born penises who like to perform femininity don’t feel safe in male spaces. This is not an issue to be lumped onto women and feminism. Men need to sort their own house out.

"I don't find men, and their penises, inherently threatening. Why are you unsafe because the person next to you in the shower has a penis

Well you might be ok with it but what if you had been raped and standing next to a near naked man was traumatic enough for you to stop going to areas where this was happening?

What if you sent your young daughter in to the toilet along and a man, not even dressed as a women - immediately followed her in. Are you telling me a tiny voice wouldn’t be telling you to go check on her.

You are aware that with self ID you don’t even have to try to look female ??

Not sure why you felt the need to inform the Internet of you masturbation habits peartree but anyway. .
Yes, young men are also at risk of male violence. I worry about it affecting my young son. However older teen boys are physically stronger than most teenage girls and most women.
Also, just because men also hurt other men, why should that mean women and girls should increase our risk? For what?
I'm not inherently scared of penises either, but I am wary of men, for totally rational reasons.
Women don't have penises and just not wanting to be a man doesn't make you a woman. We are not non-men.

You see, any woman who says "I don't mind being naked around penis-holders' is (a) blithely throwing her many sisters who (for many reasons) cannot be naked around penis-holders and (b) blithely disregarding what I posted earlier - that predatory, sex-offending men will use self-id to enter women's safe spaces.

We give up this struggle at our - and our daughters' - peril.

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@paintedwingsandgiantrings

You’ve either not seen this, or you’re so lacking in compassion and empathy your soul may as well be dead

What has a poor young boy that committed suicide because he felt bullied, for being gay, got to do with ANYTHING being discussed here? Are you saying that men that identify as women are actually gay? I think you’re in for one hell of a shock!

Women have never had and will never have penises, unless they have been physically removed from a man (men can’t have vaginas) and they actually own them, as they would any other item.

BTY, if transwomen are women, then I can’t be ‘transphobic’ as it would mean ‘trans’ doesn’t actually exist. If transwomen and women are the same, then can I become a transwoman?

I have been raped, and yet I don't find naked men traumatic. The penis is not an inherently threatening thing for ME. As I have said, these are MY boundaries, I wouldn't impose them on others. And my point being, these are highly subjective issues which I don't think can be settled by an appeal to - WOMEN are THIS and THAT and therefore it is absolutely CLEAR WITHOUT AMBIGUITY that this is where transwomen (who, I have been clear, are not women) belong.

In my view, in short, the penis is not decisive. I don't think a post-operative transwoman, with no visible penis, should be permitted onto women-only parliamentary shortlists, or admitted to the fellowship of women-only colleges. Because that would be an assault upon policies and institutions designed to correct bias and improve female representation. But for those who say the penis is somehow fundamental - you must not see one in a changing room, for example, because that makes you unsafe - what if (gasp!) you were in the room with, you know, one of them, AND YOU COULDN'T TELL???

I can't now find the post which mentioned additional facilities, so apologies for not @-ing that poster.

I'd happily get behind a campaign for additional facilities for those who believe that they have a gender identity different from their actual sex, so that they don't need to use the sex-segregated facility. I would fully support the addition of extra prisons, refuges/ crisis centres, hospital ward arrangements, showering facilities etc so that transgender people are not obliged to use same-sex facilities they are not comfortable in, and have no need to use the opposite sex facilities.

There are, however, a couple of issues with this. One is that for many transpeople, the entire point is making other people (especially women) validate their own view of their gender identity, and it's a common theme that many MTF will declare that they don't want their own facilities, they want the women's facilities.

The second issue is that there is virtually no recognition of the incredible effort and bravery of those who women campaigned for, fund-raised for, and have run things like women's aid centres and rape crisis organisations. There is a very vocal and litigious group of activists demanding their share of access to vulnerable women, whether that's sharing sleeping/ washing accommodation or providing counselling services to abused women. These facilities were not dropped from the sky by unicorns and stockpiled by women, they were set up by women to protect women. There's a vast amount of money bankrolling the TRA agenda, and that could be used to set up additional facilities which could be specialised to meet the needs of transmen and transwomen- but again, many prominent TW activists in particular rail against that, because breaking through the sex-based exemptions which protect women in more important to them than access to specialised facilities.

Haven’t RTFT but in answer to the title question: no, I don’t think women can have a penis and I totally understand the need for women only spaces. I wrote my dissertation on radical feminism’s relationship with transgenderism four years ago so please don’t think I’m uneducated, however I remember watching an interview on GMTV with a boy who was “a girl born in the wrong body” and the despair on an individual level shocked me. Often these people commit self harm, try to commit suicide etc, which then makes it hard to imagine these evil men invading women only spaces. It does make me wonder how fluid gender is, and I worry that biological sex relies on essentialism which so often is against women and reduces us to walking talking ovaries..

Women are adult human females and do NOT have penises.

Women only spaces, sports, etc., etc., are for adult human females and that is the way I want them to stay.

This statement is 100% correct:

Transgender women are a sub culture/sub set of men, not a ‘new and improved’ set of women.

I believe women can have a penis, I have one

Not sure why you felt the need to inform the Internet of you masturbation habits peartree but anyway

Because I think she has poor boundaries. She is using her experiences as a bench mark for other victims which isn’t fair

@y0rkier0se I bet your paper is fascinating wish I could read it.

I'm not sure transitioning is the answer though. I'm not sure many trans people pass as their desired gender. I'm not sure many transitions are ever complete. It's a hell of a gamble to take with your body and sanity. I think a few trans folk pass amazingly but the fear of bro g discovered must be very real and damaging. Touting transing as the answer must be literally lethal in many cases.

Saying that passing as male must be easier

Im not one of the women you are talking about...but you seem to think that this

ou must not see one in a changing room, for example, because that makes you unsafe - what if (gasp!) you were in the room with, you know, one of them, AND YOU COULDN'T TELL???

Is a gotcha moment and i really dont think it is

Its a bit like 'what if there was a killer spider in the changing room and you didnt know'

Well one imagines that they wouldn't do anything...as they don't know its there

Your a Transwoman, then dannyTrans!