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Do you believe Women can't have penises?

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loveyouradvice · 28/08/2018 14:36

Just that really.... inspired by the recent sticker campaign.... "Women can't have penises" and "Some women have penises"....

Simple question - simple answer.

Me - Yes, I believe women can't have penises.

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ADastardlyThing · 28/08/2018 17:51

Collaborate what does that awful tragedy have to do with the suicide rate of people who happen to also be trans?

VickyEadie · 28/08/2018 17:52

Peartree17

You said If you want to use the same changing room, or loo, as me, tally-ho. I don't care if I even see your penis while you're doing it (although that would be unusual in women's loo).

How about down the gym, in the women's changing rooms? I was at mine today and was alone in the changing rooms (as often happens) and shoers. Should I have to change and shower with a person with a penis? How safe am I in that case?

Branleuse · 28/08/2018 17:53

I neither love nor hate transwomen. I just think theyre men. Wtf has it got to do with love or hate

juneau · 28/08/2018 17:54

Transgender women are a sub culture/sub set of men

Completely agree with this ^.

You don't become a woman when you dress in female clothing, take hormones or have surgery. If you were born a male you cannot become female and a simple chromosome test will prove it.

IncrediblySturdyPyjamas · 28/08/2018 17:55

I'll say it again, the terms "man" and "woman" are not biological terms at all.

Lol.

Frequency · 28/08/2018 17:55

That poor little boy was gay. I'm not sure what his tragic death has to do with this thread?

All bullying is wrong whether it is aimed at someone's sexuality or the gender they present as or a physical trait they have, it's wrong.

BlueKarou · 28/08/2018 17:57

What women have under their skirts/trousers/dresses/shorts/culottes/whatever is really of no concern to me so long as the woman is not being aggressive or bigoted or offensive, or in any other way misbehaving. Likewise men, and people who would prefer not to be associated with a sex or gender. (Yes I know they're two different things, hence listing them separately.)

Off topic, apologies OP, but is there anywhere a person could go, online, to have a talk about feminism and feminist issues and/or gender as a binary vs gender as a sliding scale, which isn't heavily populated by people on either of the extremes of the whole gender thing. I would love to talk about it, but the very few times I've weighed in here I've not been able to get past the gender critical population of FWR, and most posts are hundreds of comments in before I see them. I have no interest in silencing these women, but I would like to talk about this sort of thing without immediately being 'schooled' in why my beliefs and opinions are wrong. Likewise I don't want to talk to a load of TRAs, just somewhere more balanced.

Methe · 28/08/2018 18:01

People cannot change sex any more that we can change species. Women do not have penises. Men do not have vaginas.

SandraTheBee · 28/08/2018 18:02

Women don't have penises, women weren't born with them. If you have a penis and have it chopped off you are a man without a penis. It doesn't matter how much surgery you have all over your body and what clothes you wear you are still a man who has had surgery to look more feminine and a man who wears women's clothes.

Going across Hungerford bridge the other day were 2 men dressed like the 'ladies' in little Britain. I thought they were great. Blokes telling me that they are real women is shit. They will NEVER be women no matter how much they rant and shout about it( man are good at ranting and shouting).

Postino · 28/08/2018 18:04

BlueKarou - genuine question: what do non-gender critical people mean by gender? I think it would help to get a better understanding. On here, gender basically equates to the set of gender stereotypes that limits us, male and female (but female more).

There must be a different definition going round - I don't know what it is, and I think the heart of the problem is that the same word is being used to mean different things, and neither side understands the other

Confidenceknocked · 28/08/2018 18:04

I believe a biological woman can’t have a penis.

However I’m emphathetic to those born in a situation such as gender dysmorphia and believe that when certain Individuals don’t understand things they get defensive which can lead to hate. Hate breeds hate, we should all try harder to understand other people’s persepectives rather than shutting them down straight away, Trans activists and gender critical feminists alike. It is leading to fights and people are getting hurt (emotionally and physically) it’s not good for anyone.

If I was a trans person and felt I was born a woman and was having gender surgery, I’d be devastated at this thread.

Just like I would be if it said -
‘Do you believe all woman can breastfeed’ ‘Do you believes all woman can reproduce’

After all it’s our biology right? Well I was born a woman and struggled to do both. You’re all going to flame me now but I feel that all this hate is spreading and it’s horrible to watch.

WichBitchHarpyTerfThatsMe · 28/08/2018 18:07

Women can't have penises, biological fact.

Peartree17 · 28/08/2018 18:07

Hello Vicki. I said it was my personal opinion, you don't have to share it. Personally, I have often used changing rooms where men, women and children change together (although cubicles are always available, so you can get privacy while disrobing - weren't they at your facility today?) and never felt unsafe or given it much of a thought. I don't find men, and their penises, inherently threatening. Why are you unsafe because the person next to you in the shower has a penis? I have had my fair share of sexual abuse in my lifetime (some of it - actually the worst beating I ever received - from a woman) but I still don't find naked men inherently threatening. But I realise not everyone's boundaries are the same. And that protecting my rights as a woman might clash on occasion with what a transwoman sees as her rights. It's not an act of hate to insist that no, you don't get to be included in woman-only lists. I think we might have to get behind campaigns for safe transgender spaces in e.g. prisons to uphold human rights to be treated with respect and kept safe. (And then discover that human rights are very, very expensive.)

FloraFox · 28/08/2018 18:08

Just like I would be if it said -
‘Do you believe all woman can breastfeed’ ‘Do you believes all woman can reproduce’

Honestly though, those questions would be very silly. Would you really be devastated if someone asked those questions?

Ihavethepower · 28/08/2018 18:08

Again, not hateful to state as the fact it is that women don't have penises.

SandraTheBee · 28/08/2018 18:08

It doesn't matter if you were a trans person who had surgery because you wanted to be a woman- you are NOT a woman and clubbing actual women over the head and telling them what it means to be female is going to get you ALOT of hate.

It's only ever men who tell women what they are. If they were real women they wouldn't be doing any of this shit in the first place. That's the huge irony of the situation. They do it because they are MEN with the entailment that goes with being MALE.

BertrandRussell · 28/08/2018 18:11

I wish people would stop devaluing "hate" There are plenty of people who say hateful things. I have heard people saying hateful things about trans people.

BertrandRussell · 28/08/2018 18:12

But there is no hate speech on this thread.

HavingALittleBabyToolshed · 28/08/2018 18:13

Good God, are you really using the death of a small child to prove some kind of point? Take a look at yourself.

SandraTheBee · 28/08/2018 18:14

I also have sympathy with those who believe they are the the wrong sex, who want to be another sex. I don't have an issue with whatever they choose to do with their bodies and however they dress. What I do have issue with is when they start trying to define who i am as a female just because I have something they can never have and they hate me for it, just the way men have hated and subjugated women for centuries.
This is no different to forcing women to wear corsets, chastity belts, stop them forcing force them to marry for convenience, raping them in marriage, beating them up all that shit. Since the majority of men can't do that any more they are finding other ways to control women, tell them what to do how to be.

Ansumpasty · 28/08/2018 18:15

I know a few who act like they have one on their head, does that count?

No, women don’t have penises

Peartree17 · 28/08/2018 18:18

What I do have issue with is when they start trying to define who i am as a female just because I have something they can never have and they hate me for it,

Where does this happen among transwomen? I am not sure of sources here...

paintedwingsandgiantrings · 28/08/2018 18:22

I don't find men, and their penises, inherently threatening. Why are you unsafe because the person next to you in the shower has a penis

Because 98% of sex crimes are by men. Because men fetishise women, most especially young women and girls. Because as a young woman I was harassed by men EVERY FUCKING TIME I left the house. Many of them were intimidating. Some tried to persuade me to go places with them. One tried to drag me into a car. This started when I was 13.

Because many, many sleezy men exist. I don't want to meet them naked in the showers.

Look at the difference between how men and woman are portrayed in the media. That's why.

We are used as an idea to sell products using sex appeal. We are treated like a commodity. Society has fetishised us and many men have happily bought into this. I don't want to be next to someone in the shower who's perving on me and going to go home to wank over me, or my daughter.

I don't want creepy men in the shower with my daughter, who will be turned on by her young body and fancy their chances at seeing if they can persuade her into some quick sex, like the men on the streets tried with me when I was a teen.

You are naive in the extreme if you don't see men like this are everywhere. NAMALT obviously. But to many. Lots of them are.

BiologyIsReal · 28/08/2018 18:22

You’re all going to flame me now but I feel that all this hate is spreading and it’s horrible to watch.

Unfortunately the attempts to shut down debate by the TRAs and the vicious hatred e.g. "die in a fire", "enjoy your erasure", the assault on an older women, the bomb threat to a women's meeting etc. does not make for temperate debate. Women, seeing down the road where self ID could lead us have to stand up for themselves. Being nice is not going to cut it - though nowhere have GC women exhibited the extensive hatred that a section of TRAs have.

longwayoff · 28/08/2018 18:23

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