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Do we owe Mil this money

382 replies

Whatjusthappenedthere · 26/08/2018 19:01

This is not a Mil bashing thread as we get along fine, any difficulties in our relationship I am sure are mutual 😂.

Two years ago we decided to give up one of our cars. It was the one on finance and was hardly being used ( less than 4000 miles a year) DHs commute is quite short and very doable on his bike.
I need the main car for work and the children so it did mean he would be without a car most days but as we live in a town it was fine.
Mil didn’t like the idea at all. She likes to rely on DH for days out and some weekly errands. These are not essential needs as Fil has a car ( but works), she is not elderly or infirm and like us she lives on a really good bus route into the town centre. However, DH has a reasonable amount of time on his hands and doesn’t mind these requests for transport. He loves his Mum and is happy to help. They frequently go shopping together or have the odd lunch out.
So, seeing this potential “life line” about to be cut off Mil wanted to buy DH a car. She said it was because she worried about him commuting on his bike but we all knew the real reason (his brother has commuted on a bike for years and there was never any offer to buy him a car iyswim).
We declined the offer at first but she persisted and so DH found a little run around on line and Mil bought it for him. For the last two years it’s been used to take Mil on her trips and for DHs commute in wet weather and pretty much nothing else. Everyone happy as it seemed to be an arrangement that suited both sides.
Another recent change of circumstances means we really do not need this car anymore. ( to say what it is will be outing). DH can have my car to run Mil around anytime she likes so we have sold the car she bought and put the money towards a project we have been taking about for years. We have stretched ourselves a bit but honestly we just had a “life is too short / kids soon going to be too grown up to enjoy this new adventure with us. So we went for it a few years early than planned.
In the time we had the “run around” we taxed/insured/mot’d/serviced/changed tyres and fix a few niggles. All of which cost more than the original purchase price but hey ho.
Now the car has gone it’s becoming obvious Mil feels she should be given the money we received for it. It’s like the elephant in the room ever since we sold it. Comments have been made but no direct request for the actual money but it’s making me feel very uncomfortable.
I’ve suggested that DH just brings up the costs involved in running a car for two years that Mil has benefitted from. He says just leave it unless a direct request for the money is made. In the mean time I just hate the feeling this is being discussed with wider family members and we are being made out to look like CF’s.

So are we being unreasonable not giving this money to Mil. She’s had two years of free transport more or less on demand and will continue to do so for foreseeable future.
Final note, Mil is financially comfortable and not reliant on this money.

OP posts:
m1dw1fe · 28/08/2018 13:20

In a word - no.
It was a gift. She benefited and will
Still her her lifts etc

So no

1forAll74 · 28/08/2018 13:26

I would give your MIL the £400,or even the £500 when you are able to. at some point. It does seem strange to do so,, but talking about it, and thinking about it all the time will drive you potty.
But would agree,that speaking to your MIL would maybe clear the air somewhat.As you said, life is too short for worrying about some things.

NoIsACompleteAnswerSometimes · 28/08/2018 13:35

We have given all our daughters monetary help with house buying. Our eldest recently sold her house and moved, downsizing her mortgage in the process.
I told her that i wasn't expecting her to repay any of the money we'd given her originally, she replied she hadn't even thought of it!
However, it was a gift originally and even though she'd not even considered paying any back, having the discussion made sure that everyone knew where they stood.

NoIsACompleteAnswerSometimes · 28/08/2018 13:36

Oh and no, I don't think you owe any money to the in laws.

peekyboo · 28/08/2018 14:04

The car came with strings, but are they apron strings?

Your husband sounds like he doesn't even want to broach it with his mum.

I know you say you get on well and he's happy to do all the running around. I wonder what happens when he can't? If he hadn't wanted to go go to the airport, or been able to go, would there be PA wittering in the background too? Is she nice but likes her own way and has little, wittery, ultimately snide ways of making that happen?

Pay her in instalments and take notice of what goes on from now on. I can guarantee it's not just the car.

In future, be wary of anything coming from her.

Fairyhill · 28/08/2018 14:49

The car was bought as a gift for your husband - it’s then yours to do with what you want. And as she ll be still driven around etc - it really should nt come up.

Fishface77 · 28/08/2018 15:29

I’d give her the money but make sure we were busy ever after.
And tell her you can’t afford petrol.

IloveJudgeJudy · 28/08/2018 15:41

It sounds to me that part of the problem is the way it's been presented to MIL - in the car, on the way back home from holiday after a flight and 2 1/2 hour journey. Perhaps your DH could have presented it differently.

I also think you don't owe the money, but like a PP said, sometimes what starts out as a favour then becomes a right. My SIL had the same kind of thing. She used to take her mother and then her mother's friend, shopping or out on her day off. If/when she couldn't do it for them ever, they would complain bitterly.

I'm all for people helping out and giving lifts, but being at someone's beck and call? Just no.

M3lon · 28/08/2018 15:45

I agree with all the people saying that you should lay out your half of the expenditure and then ask MIL what she thinks is fair...especially given she will continue to get lifts.

If she still says she wants £400 then go for the 36 quid a month approach.

Lellikelly26 · 28/08/2018 15:52

She sounds too much. Move to another part of the country 😁

HeckyPeck · 28/08/2018 16:45

"We needed to use the money to insure the new vehicle, so that we can afford to still give you lifts. But now we think we should have checked with you first if you wanted (some) money back. If you do, we will gladly return it, but it means we won't be able to give you so many lifts, as we won't be able to afford the extra petrol any more. The old car cost us quite a bit to keep it on the road.I'm sorry we didn't talk it through with you first, but what would you rather now, mum?"

This

HotSauceCommittee · 28/08/2018 16:50

I hope your DH didn’t do that round trip and sit and let MIL bad mouth YOU about the bloody car, whatever the rights and wrongs of it and that he put her straight.
Otherwise, keep the camper van and return the DH to MIL.
Fucking Hell, talk about poisoned chalice!

Whatjusthappenedthere · 28/08/2018 17:21

PeekyBoo,
your post is almost 100 per cent on the button. But to be fair on Mil she’s not snide. Little witter ways tho’ ? Love that. Grin

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Whatjusthappenedthere · 28/08/2018 17:30

Hot sauce. I doubt she would bad mouth me to my DH to be fair under most circumstances. The worst she has said is that she doesn’t always know how to take me. Which is fine. Normal Mil and Dil stuff.

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user1471447863 · 28/08/2018 17:33

It was a 15yr old £500 banger that was run for 2 years - op is lucky they got anything for it, rather than costing them £50 to scrap it.
Cars seem to be an odd one when 'gifted' - it seems fair to split any sale income when this wouldn't even be considered with any other gift.
Clearly mil has no concept of the cost of running a car (I assume she is a non driver else she would have had a/the car herself) I expect she thought I'll buy then a cheap runaround (a £500 15yrish old banger) and it will just cost them a few quid in petrol to run me around - totally ignorant of insurance/VED/MOT/servicing/repairs/tyre costs. In reality op has done well with it only being £1000 over 2 years.

Now one way to look at it is mil contributed 1/3rd of the total cost and OP 2/3rd (500 Vs 1000) so the £400 from the sale should be spilt likewise. £133 to mil and £267 to OP.
It would be polite/the done thing of mil to refuse whatever amount is offered.

In hindsight it would have been better to tell her it broke down/failed mot and was beyond economical repair and you were lucky the scrapyard didn't charge you to take it away. Too late for that though.

KirstyJC · 28/08/2018 17:38

I don't see the problem - she wanted to have lifts so provided you with a vehicle that would enable this. That was the only reason she gave you the car. You still have a vehicle that enables this so where is the issue? A 15 year old car would be running into expensive repairs soon so would have cost a fortune anyway.

Presumably she didn't want you to have THAT particular car, just any car that she would be able to be driven in. She still has this, it's just a van instead.

redfairy · 28/08/2018 17:40

For the sake of family harmony, no matter what the rights or wrongs are, I would offer up half of what you got for it.

Needahairbrush · 28/08/2018 18:40

I would (reluctantly) offer her the cash, very big BUT... if she’s so petty to accept it she should be stumping up petrol costs for all future lifts.

ishallwearsunflowers · 28/08/2018 18:59

Technically I would say it was yours to sell but personally I don’t think I would be able to keep the money in good conscience without at least offering it to her. Or half?

Leapfrog44 · 28/08/2018 19:00

Why didn't you just return the car to her rather than spend money on it and sell it?

HeckyPeck · 28/08/2018 19:10

Why didn't you just return the car to her rather than spend money on it and sell it?

A) it was a gift.
B) They needed the money for the replacement 2nd car (which also enables the MIL to continue to get the lifts she desperately wants)

Blueink · 28/08/2018 22:36

Have a conversation & arrange a payment plan as it’s not worth the ill feeling

rslsys · 29/08/2018 08:53

Tell her she is £400 in credit for petrol for future lifts.

pickingdaisies · 29/08/2018 10:14

Grin I like it, rslsys! From mil's point of view, all that's changed is the vehicle she gets her lifts in. From OP's point of view, she's finally got the thing they've been trying to save for, which was hampered by having to keep an unwanted car on the road. That's a win win, so long as OH can work up the courage to explain it to his mum!

puffyisgood · 29/08/2018 10:19

finely balanced imo.

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