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Do we owe Mil this money

382 replies

Whatjusthappenedthere · 26/08/2018 19:01

This is not a Mil bashing thread as we get along fine, any difficulties in our relationship I am sure are mutual 😂.

Two years ago we decided to give up one of our cars. It was the one on finance and was hardly being used ( less than 4000 miles a year) DHs commute is quite short and very doable on his bike.
I need the main car for work and the children so it did mean he would be without a car most days but as we live in a town it was fine.
Mil didn’t like the idea at all. She likes to rely on DH for days out and some weekly errands. These are not essential needs as Fil has a car ( but works), she is not elderly or infirm and like us she lives on a really good bus route into the town centre. However, DH has a reasonable amount of time on his hands and doesn’t mind these requests for transport. He loves his Mum and is happy to help. They frequently go shopping together or have the odd lunch out.
So, seeing this potential “life line” about to be cut off Mil wanted to buy DH a car. She said it was because she worried about him commuting on his bike but we all knew the real reason (his brother has commuted on a bike for years and there was never any offer to buy him a car iyswim).
We declined the offer at first but she persisted and so DH found a little run around on line and Mil bought it for him. For the last two years it’s been used to take Mil on her trips and for DHs commute in wet weather and pretty much nothing else. Everyone happy as it seemed to be an arrangement that suited both sides.
Another recent change of circumstances means we really do not need this car anymore. ( to say what it is will be outing). DH can have my car to run Mil around anytime she likes so we have sold the car she bought and put the money towards a project we have been taking about for years. We have stretched ourselves a bit but honestly we just had a “life is too short / kids soon going to be too grown up to enjoy this new adventure with us. So we went for it a few years early than planned.
In the time we had the “run around” we taxed/insured/mot’d/serviced/changed tyres and fix a few niggles. All of which cost more than the original purchase price but hey ho.
Now the car has gone it’s becoming obvious Mil feels she should be given the money we received for it. It’s like the elephant in the room ever since we sold it. Comments have been made but no direct request for the actual money but it’s making me feel very uncomfortable.
I’ve suggested that DH just brings up the costs involved in running a car for two years that Mil has benefitted from. He says just leave it unless a direct request for the money is made. In the mean time I just hate the feeling this is being discussed with wider family members and we are being made out to look like CF’s.

So are we being unreasonable not giving this money to Mil. She’s had two years of free transport more or less on demand and will continue to do so for foreseeable future.
Final note, Mil is financially comfortable and not reliant on this money.

OP posts:
Troongirl · 27/08/2018 17:42

Do what mouse says!!!

MismatchedStripySocks · 27/08/2018 17:46

She would have more right to the money IMO had she paid for the upkeep and fuel etc. She gave you a gift and it’s yours to do with as you please.

derxa · 27/08/2018 17:47

Next time you see her, say “by the way, as you know we sold the runaround. It turned out not owing us anything because x amount was spent on tax, insurance, repairs etc so we broke even in the end. Just wanted to let you know as we would have passed any profit on to you had there been any”. Job done. Don''t say this or anything else. Let your DH speak about it.

Skyeliu · 27/08/2018 17:52

Someone commented: If you do offer and she accepts I’d be asking for future petrol/running costs for when your DH is running MIL around in your car OP.

I don't understand why a son will be asking his parents for petro money to drive them around if he can afford it?
When we are young, our parents drive us around all the time and make financial sacrifices for us. I would just be grateful that I can help my parents in any way when I am older and able...

Elsie1966 · 27/08/2018 17:53

I would offer the money mil paid for car minus your expenses to keep car on road I.e mot's tax insurance and any repairs incurred by you and dh. At least then you won't be feeling like a cf and conscious clear. Win win

busyhonestchildcarer · 27/08/2018 17:57

Ask her.It may not be anything to do with the car.At least you can talk about whatever the problem is then

WickedWitchOfTheWest83 · 27/08/2018 17:58

Well my dad buys my cars, I insure them. I have no choice over what I drive (they’re really nice cars though - only the best for his daughter to drive his only grandson around in) and I could have a different car every month or I could have the same car for 2 years because my dad is a dealer. I am under no illusion that I could sell it though and keep the money. I insure it, usually tax it and MOT it myself, although he did last time coz he was doing mum’s at the same time, and because he has mechanics that work for him I don’t have to pay for repairs.
I’m not sure it was your car to sell, although you do say that you didn’t need a car and didn’t want the extra finances going out. This, she (your MIL) was aware of, but still insisted and you carried on paying out money for insurance, tax, mot and repairs. Perhaps if she had paid for all of that and said that she was doing it so your DH could carry on running around for her and giving her lifts, then you wouldn’t have a leg to stand on, but that’s not what happened so........ I’m not sure.
I think neither of you are right but neither of you are wrong. In my situation I wouldn’t sell the car and keep the money but it’s a slightly different set up to yours.
I think you need to sit down and be completely open and ask her outright about the elephant everyone is feeling in the room. Perhaps she isn’t sure how to broach it either and isn’t sure if she is being unreasonable by thinking you owe her - I don’t think she is tbf. But then again neither are you!
But letting the elephant grow bigger and make things more awkward won’t help at all.
Good luck!

CUL8RAlligator · 27/08/2018 18:04

OMG. I never post but NO yanbu.
If you can face it ask her is she feels like you should pay her back but with depreciation, how much would be fair? After four years would the car be worth an eighth of original cost?
Grumpy CF MiL.

SchadenfreudePersonified · 27/08/2018 18:15

I would be tempted to bring it up first with the opening line “we have looked at the costs of the car and calculated what we owe you and it is ........”

More like
“we have looked at the costs of the car and calculated what you owe us and it is ........”

Old cars cost more to maintain than they cost to buy (voice of bits experience . . . )

SchadenfreudePersonified · 27/08/2018 18:15

*bitter, not bits

butterfly56 · 27/08/2018 18:19

Tbh OP... MIL seems like a bit of a control freak insisting that she buys DH a car to drive her around in without any payments towards upkeep from her.
If she wanted to buy a car and pay for all the upkeep and reg in her name then it would have been her car and she could have had him as named driver on her insurance.

I definitely think you do not owe her anything at all and agree with what heckypeck and tinstar have said.

PorpoisefullyObtuse · 27/08/2018 18:24

You upgraded MILs convenience car to a better model? If you had traded in against the van would you have given her the trade in value?

Momto4plus3 · 27/08/2018 18:24

Why not explain your quandary to her? Ask her advice. At least she'll know you've been trying to work it out. (I imagine she just wants to be offered the money, and that she has no intention of accepting it).

Rebecca36 · 27/08/2018 18:34

You don't owe her the money. The car was a gift and you don't repay gifts.

However your story shows how important it is to get everything absolute straight before giving or accepting an expensive gift.

lindyloo57 · 27/08/2018 18:39

if you give her the money, i would take out what you spent on the car to keep it on the road, show her all the bills.

starlight13 · 27/08/2018 18:40

I see it like this:

Sale price of the car minus (the purchase price + all you have spent on it over the two years (inc cost of running her around)) = a negative sum remains I imagine.
Divide the negative sum in half and show her that that is the amount that you have both lost on the car because as you have always told her, you didn't need to make the excessive purchase in the first place.
She can use the bus - we are all paying for her to use that for free.

SouthWestmom · 27/08/2018 19:06

I think she thinks you couldn't afford the second car (as you were in the middle of a contract and handed it back) and is now peeved that you've effectively rejected her kindness and sold it for something she didn't agree to buy.

So it's her narrative but really you validated her thought process (in buying it because you couldn't afford a second car) by accepting it - grown ups can say no.

derxa · 27/08/2018 19:18

I think she thinks you couldn't afford the second car (as you were in the middle of a contract and handed it back) and is now peeved that you've effectively rejected her kindness and sold it for something she didn't agree to buy. Thank you old time MN poster. You've nailed it. Grin

FesteringCarbuncle · 27/08/2018 19:27

If MIL wanted the money from the sale she should have bought the car and kept it herself including running costs and let your H drive it when she wanted lifts
The OP said they had decided they could manage with 1 car
Honestly if she takes the money for the car I would dramatically reduce the running about you do for her
She is being a CF

Dilemmacentral · 27/08/2018 19:28

100% I would have told her we didn’t need it and let her deal with selling it. It wouldn’t occur to me for a nano second that the money would be mine.

Pringlemunchers · 27/08/2018 19:29

Could you get the van insurance on monthly payments?

cook64 · 27/08/2018 19:31

give her the money stop giving her lifts

Whatjusthappenedthere · 27/08/2018 19:40

Derax and noeuf. Actually , really good point if I look at it from Miks point of view. Thank you. This was never about handing cars back that we couldn’t afford, it was about handing cars back we didn’t need in order to save. But I do see it from a different point of view now.

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derxa · 27/08/2018 19:43
Grin
IamPickleRick · 27/08/2018 19:45

She’ll probably feel that the running’s costs are irrelevant seeing as you’d have spent that anyway - your original reason for selling your existing car was the monthly repayments on finance. Maybe she thought that buying a cheap car outright would save you that and the the running costs were just yours to swallow as they would have been on the finance car.

I wouldn’t have accepted in the first olaceC cars being passed within family always have some kind of expectation.