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17 year old performer, not allowed to do what in the theater shocked 😮

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Willowk321 · 21/08/2018 01:22

So basically, my DS is 17. It is legal for him to have a job without parental concent, it is legal for him to drive (if he has passed his test which tbh he hasn’t 😜), he can legally move out- again without parental concent, and he can legally concent to his own medication.

He is also currently in a amateur production for a local company which he is really enjoying. However, I have been informed that I must accompany him to the stage door and sign to say I have dropped him off and Vice a versa at the end of the rehearsal.

I told my son I thought that this was ridiculous and refused to do it, however his director telephoned me the other night to told me thet it was a legal requirement and that any person under 18 is not allowed to vouch for themselves “Same way they don’t have any other responsibilities”. I then mentioned the above and they basically just said “yeah, well that’s different”. I mean WTF.

Anyway the thing that has annoyed me is what they said is complete 💩:

As soon I came off the phone, I went straight to Google to look up the law, as I would be amazed if you had to be picked up at an age where your considered mature enough to live on your own and even be married (yes, I do know that you need parental consent for that. Well, unless you run off to Scotland which; let’s be honest; is what most probably do 😉). Anyway I researched the law and click on the official document on gov uk and what a surprise... the age is 16. 😡🙄

I then checked my local authority to see if it was the same and it appeared to be. So I decided to ring up the Council and told them about the situation, and they told me:

“Although, the law is 16, it is not uncommon for theater groups/dance schools to raise the age (mostly to 18). 16 is the minimum age but theatre groups could raise the age to 30 if they wanted to and if you theater group wants you to pick up your 17 year old, then it’s their choice and life would be much easier if you just complied with it.”

So there you have it. It is clear that 17 year olds are legal to leave on their own, but my theater group just doesn’t want them to. I have discussed this with DS and although we both agree it is completely ridiculous; I have decided to comply as he desperately wants to do the show.

I suppose my question to all you lovely people is: should a 17 year old be allowed to leave a theater on there own? What age can members leave unaccompanied at your dance school/theater group?

I understand that some people feel that all people under 18s are children, but there is no denying that 0-17 is a broad age range, for example 17 year olds will naturally have more rights and responsibility’s then a 3 year old will.

I would like to say though, if you feel that 17 year olds should be escorted as they are still “children”, would you feel the same about a 17 year old McDonald worker being escorted. I personally cannot tell the difference, but... just a thought 🤔

Anyway I will leave it with you 😂

OP posts:
CheesyCurryChips · 22/08/2018 17:31

It could be an insurance requirement

EvilRingahBitch · 22/08/2018 17:34

It could be an insurance requirement, but given that the OP specifically asked them why they had this rule in place and they didn’t mention insurance, it’s probably not.

FaveNumberIs2 · 22/08/2018 17:35

It is what it is. You’ve got one year left to run around after him. Just do it.

zeeboo · 22/08/2018 17:43

I'm with you @Willowk321 it's bloody ridiculous. What would they do if faced with an independent young adult who had no parents or guardians? My son left home at 17 and he would have just not been allowed to participate which seems discriminatory.
I walked myself to and from am dram age 14 but that wasn't in an actual theatre.
It is the silliest thing I've heard in ages.

Aspichick · 22/08/2018 17:44

I run things like this professionally. I would/have been happy for that age group to get there themselves and leave. However I have for back up just had parents sign that they are happy for them to do this. If they are driving themselves and have a car etc and jobs........I think it’s reasonable that they can take part in an dram without parental supervision. The actual theatre may have a policy?

Beelin · 22/08/2018 17:47

It's OTT but wasn't there a case in the national press earlier this year where a (younger) teenager went missing on her way home from a theatre group? I'd imagine lots of youth theatres reviewed their policies in the light of that in case they got sued/prosecuted.

Turnitaroundagain · 22/08/2018 17:48

Perhaps it’s to do with the possibility that a weirdo stalker may see your son on stage and follow him after the show? I think that their caring attitude is a very good thing, and would personally be happy to comply in support of my child.

yesiamgoingtoeatthat · 22/08/2018 17:56

OP, is your son at school? Has the theatre been required to obtain a child performance licence from the local authority? In which case they will (should) be extra cautious about following Council guidelines in case it causes them problems in the future. They may be erring on the side of caution to ensure they have no problems with licensing in the future.

montenuit · 22/08/2018 17:56

what?
my 11 year old does a lot of theatre & dance
i have signed a form to say she can leave unaccompanied (ie doesn't have to be picked up by me)
i am usually waiting in the car - saves me parking and standing outside the stage door waiting!

what a load of tosh.

montenuit · 22/08/2018 17:59

and this is in "wild west london" as the papers have now dubbed it

dodobookends · 22/08/2018 18:20

Well OP, I think the theatre's rule is way over the top and totally unnecessary. Once teenagers are too old to have to have a chaperone in the theatre, then they should be able to sign themselves in and out. Likewise if they are over the age for leaving education.

My dd has spent a huge amount of time in the theatre and was living independently in a flat in London from the age of 16, and training full time at a dance school there. When they had theatre performances they signed themselves in and out (necessary for fire regs).

When she was younger, she did numerous performances at theatres all over the place, both amateur and professional. The under 16's all had to be collected by a parent or other nominated adult. They didn't have to be signed in by them though.

It is most definitely not a normal requirement to have to sign 17 year-olds in and out. Each drama group, theatre or local authority might have their own more stringent rules or safeguarding policy though.

I agree with you that it is totally stupid and ridiculous - he's old enough to drive himself there and home again Grin

farangatang · 22/08/2018 18:21

The guidance for chaperoning those under the age of 18 is ridiculously strict (e.g www.nncee.org.uk/attachments/article/111/es-guidance-chaps.pdf)

It does seem strange there is no form for you to sign to say you're happy for your 16+ year old to sign themself in and out, unless it is a particular rule of that performance space...

ShadyLady53 · 22/08/2018 18:36

I work in this field and can confirm Chaperoning and child performers legislation is ridiculously strict and complex. I suspect it’s worse when it comes to amdram for a few reasons. Amdram groups are open to most members of the public with auditions often just being a formality so anyone can join them.

I did am dram as a teenager and there were some adults who were using the setting to be quite sexually predatory and generally odd. As a 17 year old girl, there was a situation where I was definitely at risk and later had to get police involvement. In amateur groups there are quite frequently after show drinks or house parties amongst adults that would be inappropriate environments for teenagers and almost impossible to police. For that reason, it’s easier to exclude under 18s from these events by treating them as children and ensuring they have to go straight home after the show.

KnotsInMay · 22/08/2018 18:47

Theatres are also surprisingly dangerous environments. High level of industrial accidents. Working in the dark / wiring/ traps and flying scenery , all sorts.

taxi4ballet · 22/08/2018 19:03

I don't think the OP is complaining about collecting her ds from the theatre late in the evening to take him home.

What she is pissed off about is having to physically be present and sign him in when he is dropped off earlier on in the day, like she is booking him into a creche.

And that so-called rule is totally bloody stupid and the director is talking bollocks when he says it is a legal requirement. It isn't.

BewareOfDragons · 22/08/2018 19:05

Ridiculous.

My 10 year old was able to walk himself home from football training on his local team...

THere should be a form you can sign. Most clubs and organizations have them...

neveracceptpoortrading · 22/08/2018 19:06

At least your acting in your DS's best interest and complying with what seems to me trivial, but knowing many teenagers (ex FE/HE lecturer) some are immature, irresponsible at 19. Your DS seems to have clear direction in life - encourage, encourage.

Ps Consent not concent sorry can't help it.

popocatepetals · 22/08/2018 19:20

He's far less likely to come to harm leaving a theatre in the evening, surrounded by the rest of the cast and several hundred audience members, than he would be if he were out causing trouble with his mates late in the evening vandalising bus shelters drinking vodka and experimenting with drugs.

Winniethepee · 22/08/2018 19:21

I guess that the theatre company has, quite rightly,a child protection/safeguarding policy. It goes up to 18.

Dilemmacentral · 22/08/2018 19:26

It's OTT but wasn't there a case in the national press earlier this year where a (younger) teenager went missing on her way home from a theatre group? I'd imagine lots of youth theatres reviewed their policies in the light of that in case they got sued/prosecuted.

I very much doubt that indeed.

LucyEmma89 · 22/08/2018 19:58

They’ve clearly never seen Billy Elliot 😂

Mikklehaha · 22/08/2018 20:31

I agree with OP that this is ridiculous. At 17 I was living in a house share in London, 30 Miles from my mum, and was working full time.
If someone had told me I needed a responsible adult to drop me off I would have laughed my arse off.
And as for someone saying how disorganised late teens are I can only say speak for your own molly-coddled children. I know many a 16 / 17 year old that would find that incredibly patronising. I certainly would have at that age.
This situation can be solved with basic common sense. A simple waiver for parents of 16 to 18 year olds to sign ( should they wish) would sort this nonsense.

NotBeforeCoffee · 22/08/2018 20:33

Not like the world of acting is known for predatory behaviour or anything

TheBigFatMermaid · 22/08/2018 20:42

Fuck me! Our local youth club lets anyone over 9 leave without a parent as long as a form has been filled in before and, giving consent.

I am pretty sure anyone arriving at and leaving the rugby club under their own steam is allowed to play, even travel to away games, with a membership form signed at the beginning of the season. I am also pretty sure rugby is more dangerous than performing in a theatre!

ApocalypseNowt · 22/08/2018 20:45

I doubt it will be insurance. People always pipe up 'because insurance' when 'insurance' is rarely where these rules or conditions originate from.

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