to not want it to be made legal to vape on buses?

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I've just seen an article on BBC where it is considered that vaping should be made legal on buses and other public transport. I am all for vaping. My partner vapes and whilst he has a phlegmy throat because of it, it's much better than smoking. He doesn't do it in the house, I'm 28 weeks pregnant and have suffered from morning sickness throughout (so may be slightly biased), but still, I hate the smell. It makes me want to vomit and when he did do it in the house it filled the room with vapour so quickly it's like being in stars in their eyes.

AIBU that we should absolutely be encouraging vaping, but there's no reason why it still can't be limited to outdoor spaces?

Of course there’s no such thing as absolute fresh air, but the air quality in cities, buildings, built up areas and public transport is poor enough in this country without encouraging yet another pollutant.

Rates of asthma and other breathing related problems are increasing as are multiple allergies.

Oooh! Castigated, bad me!

OK. No I am not new, and I was under the impression that a discussion was different from a nice agreement. You seem happy to try to shut me down with patronising "You must work for them' LOLs and

Maybe this is just another topic that MN has it's own singular hive mind on!

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/environment/2018/may/17/uk-taken-to-europes-highest-court-over-air-pollution

www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-43964341

I don't care, I don't live in any of the places listed!

And if you look at the bigger picture

qz.com/1192348/europe-is-divided-into-safe-and-dangerous-places-to-breathe/

How long until it’s known that vaping is bad for you and passive vaping is an issue?!

YANBU

I think people's attitudes towards vapers and people's attitudes towards not wanting to be sat on a bus full of vapour need to be separated as two completely different issues. They aren't the same. I have no issues with vaping. I vaped before I got pregnant. DP, DM, DB and DF all vape. I'm so thankful that they don't smoke as it is far less harmful to their health.

I wouldn't however like it if they vaped in the car filling it with vapour. Same goes for public transport.

I actually agree with you that the attitudes towards vapers from some people is poor. I had a smoker tell me once 'oh you don't use one of those bloody smoke sticks do you - they look ridiculous'. The stigma is real and it's a shame. That's not the point I'm making however. I don't think there is any harm or creation of stigma in saying that someone cannot vape on public transport.

How long until it’s known that vaping is bad for you and passive vaping is an issue?! Ask a vaper if they care! They will probably tell you that smoking is a known and measurably greater risk to their health.

If, in 20 years time it turns out hat vaping is bad for you, smokers/vapers still won't care as they will have felt better, saved money, not suffered form lung cancer etc in the same numbers. They WILL have been healthier!

Did I say I work in a smoking cessation clinic once a month? I am not guessing, it is part of the work to ask how they feel about the various cessation aids. Over the last 5 years we have had a huge drop off on clients, as we can't prescribe e-cigs of any sort - though this may be changing!

Some, not all, smokers want to vape as it works.... that it smells is of no concern to them, smoking smells worse! That it might have hitherto known health risks is also of little concern, the known health risks of smoking are scary enough!

Yes but as a non smoker, I find vaping and the smell pretty revolting too.

People can vape away in their homes but public spaces should remain vape free

Why people start bloody smoking these days is beyond me - just so silly. My MIL is dying of lung cancer - she became addicted before the risks were fully known.

It’s such a pathetic habit

I didn't know it was illegal on buses.

@MargaretDribble I don't believe it is illegal I think bus companies simply have restrictions on whether people can vape on them or not. The article was talking about lifting these and possibly allowing vaping on buses (and trains)

Ex smoker here. YANBU. Vaping is vile, I'd rather sit in a cloud of tobacco smoke. But neither, for preference, especially in enclosed spaces.

"www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-43964341

I don't care, I don't live in any of the places listed!"

Seriously?

Thousands are estimated to die in London every year due to the air quality and you don't care because you live somewhere else?

Okaaaaaaaayyyyyy

"If, in 20 years time it turns out hat vaping is bad for you, smokers/vapers still won't care as they will have felt better, saved money, not suffered form lung cancer etc in the same numbers. They WILL have been healthier!"

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Irrespective of exactly how "bad for you" it turns out to be? (If it does turn out to be bad for you).

Vaping is exempt from smoke free legislation so it's actually legal to vape anywhere.

I also don't understand the argument that not being allowed to vape on the bus prevents people from switching from cigarettes to vaping.

Samphire you have said this, and teh tobacco woman in the telegraph article I linked earlier and said this as well.

I don't understand this argument it is utterly nonsensical. It would only make sense if you could smoke on the bus but not vape. As it is, you can't do either. So how exactly is not being allowed to vape on the bus (or indeed anywhere else) discouraging people from making the switch?

In fact you can vape more places because you can do it in the bogs at work etc and no-one is any the wiser.

Bluelady I think some companies stil ban it though, eg I went on a flight recently and they said no smoking or vaping was allowed.

I think as a service provider they can make rules like that?

YANBU - if a person can't manage a short bus ride without vaping, then they've got serious issues. Why should other people have to put up with the smell just so they can get their fix? Yuck.

TFL has banned them I live in London and have not seen anyone vaping on bus / tube etc.

I think people are used to not being allowed to smoke and so automatically assume they can't vape either (whether this is true or not) - I don't see why we as a society would want to reverse this.

And how long until offices are also filled with vapour from vapers? I don't want it on buses, planes, trains or tubes, pubs or offices. I had to deal with that back in the 70s and 80s and don't want to go through it again.

If you want to do it, stick to your homes and gardens. There is nothing worse than realising you are walking behind a vaper as you are covered in the trail from their vape.

It is not better than smoking merely less worse, and there is a heck of a difference.

NB. I buried my sister two weeks ago who died from lung cancer acquired through passive smoking.

Nothing So you do notice silly responses, but didn't choose to look at the wider statistics on air pollution that undermines the pollution argument? OK! I was hoping someone would call me selfish... then I could ask why my selfishness was more notable, more obnoxious than that of those who want to equate vaping with smoking in law!

And yes, healthier... not dying of smoking related cancers in the number as they currently are, lacking many of the related pulmonary disorders, etc, being cardiovascularly fitter, able to do more, etc etc etc.

I'm a vaper (18mths) and I'll always be grateful that it helped me stop smoking cigarettes. BUT I have a very simple vaping "machine" it releases a very small amount of vapour, not like the ridiculous superclouds you see sometimes.

They do contain nicotine but not all the other awful chemicals included in cigarettes. Most ppl start with a liquid strength proportionate to the no of cigs they smoker. I used 12mg nicotine content, now reducing to 6mg, eventually to 0mg. Many/most will use it for a year or two as an aid to stopping completely. Others use it as a "fashion" prop almost, as there is no need whatsoever to have those huge clouds I mentioned.

I wouldn't want it allowed in buses, restaurants or other public places either.

Most transport companies have banned vaping but it's not actually illegal anywhere. There may be a test case at some point in the future and, given NHS England endorses vaping, it will be interesting to see how that goes.

I don't understand this argument it is utterly nonsensical. I can explain that Nothing

Smokers have 1 cigarette in any given time span. They concentrate on it, and get their 'fix' in that one hit. Vaping doesn't do that. A vaper has little and often, which in itself helps reduce the overall amount of nicotine ingested. If a vaper can't take that little and often hit they will need to top up with a bigger hit, and e-cigs don't do that effectively, leaving the vaper in 'withdrawal'. As many heroin addicts will attest, smoking withdrawal is worse than coming off heroin!

This is why many smokers don't succeed in vaping, they can't get that big hit and can't ease the cravings, so they go back to cigarettes. There are ways round that but, essentially, crowding vapers out of vaping spaces reduces the efficacy of vaping and pushes the vaper back towards smoking to stave off withdrawal. T