to not want it to be made legal to vape on buses?

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I've just seen an article on BBC where it is considered that vaping should be made legal on buses and other public transport. I am all for vaping. My partner vapes and whilst he has a phlegmy throat because of it, it's much better than smoking. He doesn't do it in the house, I'm 28 weeks pregnant and have suffered from morning sickness throughout (so may be slightly biased), but still, I hate the smell. It makes me want to vomit and when he did do it in the house it filled the room with vapour so quickly it's like being in stars in their eyes.

AIBU that we should absolutely be encouraging vaping, but there's no reason why it still can't be limited to outdoor spaces?

article today

"Evidence submitted to MPs estimated vaping is 95pc less harmful than conventional cigarettes. This led members to conclude e-cigarettes are being “overlooked as a stop smoking tool”. Tobacco companies have maintained that more freedom to advertise e-cigarettes will help to educate smokers of the risks attached to vaping."

So this is not vaping they are talking about but "e-cigarettes". I have only vaped. I must admit I am not sure what an "e cigarette" is.

The point about not wanting to normalise any kind of addiction stands. It is a pointless waste of money being addicted to anything IMO (and I've been addicted to a few things!).

Googling says an ecigarette is what you need to vape. The same. So the above sentance makes no sense at all does it?

Imagine being stuck next to a vaper at a sporting event in a stadium, where you had paid a lot of money for your seat and moving wasn’t an option?

I’m a vaper and think this is madness.

I have an ordinary machine that lets out a small amount of vape steam. You can buy units that emit clouds of the stuff. I’ve seen people use these in cars...bampots.

Catmeouws - not all people in the world with addictions are "disgusting". That is a really nasty attitude.

There is also a difference between nicotine addictiona and heroin addiction.

Stop being so silly.

Follow the money everyone. Think. Who stands to gain what from promoting these things as safe?

Govt can tax and gain revenue.
Vape companies can obviously make lots of money.
NHS think they will save money on treating ppl with smoking related conditions.

This practise hasn’t been around for long enough for any doctors or scientists to be able to research the medium or long term effects or the effects on passive exposure.

The respiratory system is designed to breathe fresh air.

ex smoker, never vaped it's total crap imo. looks totally stupid, adults sucking on something similar to a soother.
why anyone would think this was a good idea to suggest vaping on buses has obviously got their head rammed so far up their arse that they use loo paper instead of a bloody tooth brush ! almost have stream coming out of my ears

Mmm!

What else can we ban....? Anything that smells... ll perfumes, aftershave, deodorant, body sprays, babies bums in wet/dirty nappies, damp dogs, wet clothes, cars, buses, trains, dirty hair, hairspray, simply breathing...

No? Why not? If the general objection to vaping is the smell, and unfounded health scares, then we could ban anything we can detect an odour from on precisely the same grounds.

Each and every single one of the vape objectors will do something I don't like, or A N Other poster, multiple people in real life. Let's make a list and ban them all on the grounds that I don't like it and can imagine a health hazard!

No! Then stop and think instead of bleating! Remember there is no such thing as fresh air.... unless you choose to climb Everest, and even there man has had a go at polluting it!

Vaping is not smoking. It is measurably healthier for the want to be ex smoker and everyone around them. It smells, like bubblegum smells, like perfume smells. There are all sorts of case studies on each and every single component of bubblegum and perfume that posit the self same type of health risks as vaping does. But nobody wants to hear that, do they? Yet posters have linked to those studies over and over again... gold standard, longitudinal, multi cohort, peer reviewed stuff and nobody wants to believe that the "minimal currently known risk" for vaping is precisely the same for almost every substance we ever ingest - OK, broad brush, but you surely must see my pint?

Well, no, you probably won't!

I 100% agree with Septima.

I'm a vaper and I think this is an awful idea! Yuck

I don't think it should be allowed in any enclosed space used by the public. Likewise for spraying perfume or any aerosol, it is antisocial behaviour.

I do think that having vaping rooms in hosps would be a good idea.

You can bring back some of those types of areas to make things more comfortable for people who want / need to get some nicotine, without bringing it full back into the public as was.

I suspect the tobacco industry wants a return to the good old 1970s, with everyone on tv vaping, all the glam film stars, everyone doing it at work, on the streets, behind the bike sheds etc. It's obvious what the idea is here, isn't it?

@CuriousaboutSamphire nobody is talking about banning vaping. Many people simply think it should be restricted in public spaces. Someone spraying a bit of body spray for 2 seconds is completely different to 7/8 people sat on a bus filling it with vapour. If there were 7/8 people say spraying a continuous stream of perfume or body spray or deodorant I am sure a few people would object.

You say it is healthier for those around vapers... you aren't allowed to smoke on buses or most enclosed public spaces. How could it possible be healthier for people like me to introduce vaping in to spaces where smoking AND vaping are currently not allowed.

I have no issue with vaping. I have issue with sitting on a bus full of vapour especially with a newborn baby. I can imagine asthmatics and those with lung problems would likely agree.

No to banning vaping. Yes to restricting where you can vape.

For me there are two issues:

• That we dont' actually know whetehr it's safe or not - very conflicting info
• Normalising it in society. Why? (money)

Both come back to the fact that we should NEVER trust big corporates espeically ones that have as terrible a record as big tobacco (who run the vape industry more or less). Remember that they suppressed studies that showed the harms of smoking, lied to governments and the public for years, and worked hard to get people addicted as young as possible and in very poor countries as well (handing out free cigarettes etc), they are NOT trustworthy. They are envisaging a return to the days when nicotine was consumed everywhere by everyone - of course they are - and this is an important first step.

Incidentally if you vape cannabis does it remove all the bad stuff as well? That sounds quite good (not a weed smoker myself). Not for in public though and erm obviously it's illegal. But still.

YANBU, it's stinks🤢

I remember a return coach trip from a wedding last year, 3 people puffing away on these things in the top deck. No surprise that by the end of the journey 4 people had thrown up, including 2 older kids who hadn't been drinking. I felt sick the whole journey & I don't drink

I can't think of anything worse than traveling on a bus full of people puffing away on various flavours of these 🤢

But that isn't the rhetoric being used is it? Have a read back through your own thread, and others on the same topic, think about the language being used about vapers... the people as well as the vapour.

You are starting form a baseline of what is now... the overly strict banning of vaping, that matches the ban on smoking, and are decrying any lessening of it, despite the recent studies that show such draconian strictures are making it difficult for smokers to make the switch, meaning that, in order for non smokers to remain free of one set of smells, others can't make a simple change to ease the risks to their health.

The immediate stigmatising of vaping was equally immediately turned into stigmatising of the individual - lots of 'whataboutery' to try and disguise the total lack of empathy for people who are trying to quit, let alone the deliberate obtuseness of some people, including here "nicotine is nicotine" yes, and that isn't the dangerous chemical... as has been pointed out so very many times!

And the conspiracy theories OMG!!! Just fuck off with them. Big Pharma and the tobacco industry don't own vaping... 8-% of the companies that produce vaping kits is independent, no link to tobacco companies at all! Another fact that will not be believed

www.gosmokefree.co.uk/latest-news/who-owns-all-the-vaping-brands-infographic/

I vape and it think this idea is bonkers! I try to blow out as little vape as possible.

If this were legal it would be like a scene from that Cheech and Chong movie, Up In Smoke!

Curious no you read the trhead.

I've been saying it makes sense to see about putting vaping rooms back in some places eg hospitals.

Meanwhile you're the one saying everyone else posting is whining or whatever it was (can't be bothered to scroll back).

The thread is full of ex smokers, occasional vapers and full on vapers. I think everyone is in agreement except for you. Does that not tell you anything.

Is that 8% of vape companies are independent? Not sure what the - indicates.

tobacco companies own the top 5 brands

You are naive.

(Or work for BAT lol)

Nothing How pleasant! I wasn't even responding to your post!

This thread is full of ex smokers, occasional vapers and full on vapers who all think vaping should remain heavily restricted, as though it is the same as smoking.

I am the only poster here that thinks it is ridiculous, I am not the only poster that thinks this though - as can be seen in the very many other vaping threads. I am just Billy No Mates today! The absence of a thing proves nothing - basic science!

Ah but you see this is an open forum, not a private conversation.

If you post things you can't control or enforce who reads and replies to them!

Are you new to MN?

YUCK! YANBU.

" including here "nicotine is nicotine" yes, and that isn't the dangerous chemical... as has been pointed out so very many times!"

And I have pointed out - health issues aside - that it is still not great to be addicted to anything, for a variety of reasons.

Are you actually reading the posts or just assuming they say what you think they say and then shouting?

Typo - 80% of brands, market share for tobacco is growing, but that is as much because of the posited restrictions, squeezing the smaller manufacturer out of business, forcing what was a vaper focussed industry back into the hands of Big Tobacco... not the fault of the vaper, more the fault of those who object to it and see regulating it into the hands of Big Tobacco as a win!

Weird!