to not want it to be made legal to vape on buses?

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I've just seen an article on BBC where it is considered that vaping should be made legal on buses and other public transport. I am all for vaping. My partner vapes and whilst he has a phlegmy throat because of it, it's much better than smoking. He doesn't do it in the house, I'm 28 weeks pregnant and have suffered from morning sickness throughout (so may be slightly biased), but still, I hate the smell. It makes me want to vomit and when he did do it in the house it filled the room with vapour so quickly it's like being in stars in their eyes.

AIBU that we should absolutely be encouraging vaping, but there's no reason why it still can't be limited to outdoor spaces?

YANBU. Even as an occasional smoker it annoys the hell out of me, seems to be a really crap attitude amongst some vapers that they can literally do it anywhere because it isn't cigarette smoke but IMO it's just as rude and inconsiderate as someone blowing cig smoke all over you.

The problem @Branleuse is that people wouldn't. Try getting on a bus in central Birmingham and you'll soon realise that a lot of people don't have manners! You're not allowed hot or smelly food on a bus, so why should you be allowed to vape? It's disruptive and a lot of people are clearly not in favour of it. I honestly think it's an awful idea. There's no reason why you can't just wait until the bus has stopped.

The amount of Vape I see coming out of car windows I can’t understand how they can see out of the car. It can’t be safe.

As Stone they can control the amount of vape, why do people have big anti social clouds of it.

YANBU like smoking it is a disgustingly filthy habit, and whatever the law no one will be vaping near me without my protesting.

I accept that may be being unreasonable and I don't care.

I heard it on the radio too, on about talks to make it ok in indoor spaces etc

Wouldn't it be distracting and maybe limit a driver's view?

The amount of vape from one person can be quite a lot, imagined a group of people did it?

I'd have to get off. They irritate my lungs and start my asthma off. Annoys the fuck out of me when people go "It's just vapour, love!"

Yes I know its fucking vapour, thanks, I'm not thick. It still sets it off. I can't even go in the steam room at the gym without having an asthma attack.

YANBU

Vaping is far less damaging than smoking both directly and passively, but there hasn't been chance to assess the long term impacts on public health.

Not all vapes are created equally. Some contain allergens, and it's not a great idea to have them wafting around your airways (as my friend discovered unwittingly with a lot of facial swelling). They can aggravate respiritory conditions.

It's not fair and not necessary to inflict smelly wafts of vape vapours anywhere where smoking is prohibited.

I think people need to be given provision for vaping where the same exists for smokers - at work we have smoking sheds, but vapers just wwnder around the outdoor areas trailing clouds of artificial bubblegum scent behind them. So a shelter would be perfect imo - keep them dry when it’s raining, sheltered when it’s windy, separate them from smokers, but keep the vape away from everyone else.

But essentially going back to 1980s and before smoking practices, just for vapers? Fuck that.

Serious lack of understanding here. There can be no law that would force buses etc. to allow vaping if the company doesn't want to. It's not illegal now so nothing will change. The point they were trying to make is there should be no conflation between smoking and vaping. Smoke free laws were brought in for health reasons. These reasons don't apply to vapour.
As can be seen on this thread the vilifying and stigmatising of smokers is also being directed towards vapers.

Even when smoking was allowed in enclosed spaces, it was allowed only on the top floor of double decker buses (not sure what they did about single deckers), and there were no-smoking carriages on trains. But the reports I've seen seem to suggest unrestricted vaping, which is really unpleasant.

YANBU I don’t want to inhale other people’s chemicals and I don’t want my children exposed to it in an enclosed space either particularly my son with asthma.

I agree with you. In the BBC article there is a link to an article from 3 days ago saying how some studies have suggested the vapour can disable immune cells in the lungs. There is no way I want myself or my children inhaling that. It's as disgusting a habit as smoking and should be treated the same IMO

As a smoker I hate the idea of vaping being allowed anywhere indoors. I know I probably shouldn't have any sense of smell what with being a smoker and all but some of those giant clouds of cherry or bubblegum or whatever are vile.
I sometimes use an ecig that has no odour and produces a tiny wisp of vapour as opposed to those wafting great clouds from the tanks but I still wouldn't use that in any confined space with other people around.

It’s an odd proposal. I’m an on/off vaper but don’t feel the need to vape in enclosed places or on public transport. It would be bizarre to have a bus engulfed in a cloud of vapour fumes and can totally see why non smokers would find it unpleasant. That said, I don’t think vaping should be restricted in outdoor spaces (within reason- obviously you’d hope people would be considerate around people eating/ children etc)...

Guaranteed in 20years time we will be hearing about the diseases caused by
vaping

I don't understand this at all. Nicotine is v addictive and even if vaping is safe (big if) being addicted to something interferes with your life in other ways.

We don't want to normalise it surely.

Has someone been got at by the vape industry - this seems like a very odd announcment.

Also I hate the way it's marketed - the shops all look aimed at the very young often teamed with milkshake bars in the same shop, the packaging etc it all seems designed to appeal to young people (seconday school to 20s) to me.

I do think that reviewing it for some situations would be good e.g. they could have a vape area in hosps out of the way somewhere. Long train journeys could have a vape carriage maybe. Stuff like that. Buses though? Tube? Short journeys? No, why?

Ex heavy smoker here.

Hate the smell.

@RimskyKorsakov I can't speak for other people but I can certainly say that I am not vilifying anyone. To say I don't want to inhale cigarette smoke or vapour should be my choice. It isn't vilifying a smoker to say that passive smoking can cause health problems and that it shouldn't be inflicted upon others.

I personally believe that vaping, unless in your own home should be restricted to outdoor places or at least rooms which are over a certain size. I have no idea how it would be managed. My partner vapes. I used to vape (can't stand the idea now), my father and mother both vape and I am all for it, however if people can manage not to smoke in certain places then they certainly should be able to do the same with vaping.

YANBU they stink - can you imagine a train carriage/coach/bus with lots of different "odours" blending together for the whole journey.

I vape. But I agree. I don't want to expose my vape to anyone who doesn't want it.
It's a terrible idea.

I choose to vape. I choose to take the risk that is not as well researched as tobacco smoking,and could harm me in ways not yet known.

But I would never want my decision forced on anyone else.
It's common courtesy. Like eating smelly food. You don't do it where other people have to suffer the consequences

@DianaPrincessOfThemyscira

"I don’t want to walk through your damp blueberry flavoured smoke."

^This, especially when I'm carrying my PFB in her carrier.

@RimskyKorsakov the report states 'The report also asks the government to consider their use on buses and trains.' To me, that reads as though I could be considered that their use should be allowed on public transport, not simply that they want to remove the stigma around vaping by separating it as a concept from smoking.

Yanbu. Who wants to be sat in a plume of smoke in a confined space? Bad enough outdoors.