AIBU to wonder why Corbyn hasn't got the boot yet?

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After all this recent stuff. Please could we have someone else and make labour electable again. Why is he still there and do we think he still will be for the forseeable?

Unfortunately his most devoted followers and many are Labour Party members are so blinded by him and his different type of politics that many will carry on with their adoration for him - who may not keep supporting him is Momentum as they know Brexit (that McDonnell is making noises about) is the main concern for many Labour voters

Being incapable of being a leader/good PM is irrelevant to many after all Trump is in power

I have posted on many threads about his incompetence what is relevant now is his opinions and his choice of who he has chosen to show support to and shared platforms with

And that for many this is just unacceptable

There is no real signs for there to be a snap election should the Tories feel there might be one they shall pull ranks to keep in power Labour won’t so I am not concerned about him becoming PM. I am about him leading the most inapt opposition party in recent history especially at such a crucial time in our history

Many of us have spoken out since him became party leader about his past his connections and added once he became leader, him being such a poor leader has also been proven but still for myself it’s who he is his views (that have impacted his leadership) that make him deplorable

Even if he proved to be a good party leader (which really with his stance he can’t be) I would never ever vote for him a man like Corbyn should never ever be PM

And I have always voted Labour and been a party member on and off for many years

Momentum have a big problem

Corbyn is where he is becuase of Momentum and Momentum are as powerful becuase of Corbyn supporters

Best thing it’s implodes Labour will take a while to get back on track but the could be in the next two years

Neither Momentum or Corbyn seem to want to listen though, so all I can see is them destroying the Labour party with their pig headedness. They refuse to listen to anyone who disagrees with them, choosing to abuse people online and blame everyone else for not broadcasting their incomprehensible message to the unwashed masses who are too stupid to understand what they are telling them and keep voting Tory. If they succeed in deselecting any MP that disagrees with them. I wonder how long it will take for the centrist MP's to form their own party. If they do, it will leave Labour to the hard left and they will disappear into the annals of history.

There are some clear parallels with the days of Michael Foot's leadership. And what an older Labour member said to me then is worth saying of Corbyn: "What does it say about him that the people who like him most are the people who know him least? You kids think he's great, but almost none of the contemporaries who came up with him and have had dealings with him can stand him. You should pay more attention to that."

Succulent, the 'edgy' description is absolutely accurate. It would be funny if it wasn't so tragic for the Labour party.

Having seen the film blackkkklansman today the notion of Duke and Griffin praising Corbyn makes me feel ill.

Since (the last PLP meeting) very few non-Jewish MPs have spoken out about recent scandals

Mike Gapes MP may be planning to step down

A senior Labour MP says he is “agonising every day” over whether to quit the party after the latest antisemitism row engulfing Jeremy Corbyn.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/labour-antisemitism-jeremy-corbyn-mike-gapes-quit-party-a8507886.html

Daily Mail headlines are unsurprisingly less measured about the issue - so as with anything from the Fail, I'd take with a heavy pinch of salt

Labour MP Mike Gapes 'reveals he is quitting the party' after calling Jeremy Corbyn a 'racist antisemite' over his comments on 'British Zionists' as the far right defends the Labour leader

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6096279/Corbyn-defends-Zionists-comment-Tories-report-standards-watchdog.html

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Yes you are being unreasonable. Some of us like a politician with a conscience.

The more outrageous any story about JC the less likely I am to believe it. Having been on the receiving end of media inaccuracy myself I have great difficulty trusting any journalists.

trancepants you said it.
Oh and bananafish you've given yourself away.

Great assets for we Tories. Long may he continue.

As someone else said above it reminds me also of those more left wing Labhour days, Michael Foot etc. In the UK we tend to vote in whoever has the middle ground which is currently May who is far too left wing and wet for me which is why she was elected. Whoever takes that position tends to win elections.

Yes you are being unreasonable. Some of us like a politician with a conscience.

Some if us like politicians who aren't endorsed by the ex head of the KKK.

"Politician with a conscience ". Corbyn? Probably the funniest thing I'm going to read all day.

I really am fed up to the back teeth with this 'Corbyn has devoted his whole life campaigning for peace and justice' line. As if he's made this huge sacrifice. Bollocks. There's nothing he likes better than the lifestyle of an agitator. Marching with a banner, standing on a platform, or, preferably a fire engine, shouting through a megaphone. Clandestine meetings in back-rooms plotting the revolution and fomenting factionalism. They're meat and drink to him.

He's been in Parliament for over 30 years and achieved eff-all. I think he was a member of the cheese appreciation society and won beard of the year. When he walks into the lobby of the Palace of Westminster, he sees himself as a Fifth Columnist infiltrating enemy territory. He has more in common with his mates outside Parliament. Stop the War, the SWP, AWL, TUSC. The fact that he was greeting a Cuban solidarity group in the Leader's office while the debate to raise fees for bringing a complaint to an Employment Tribunal was going on downstairs says it all.

He doesn't 'engage with dialogue' with terrorists. That implies arguing a different p.o.v. Persuading them to turn away from violence. When does he do that? He's a sympathiser, an apologist, a cheerleader.

And he loves it.

The future? I think the knife in the back will come from the Left, not the Right. Momentum, McCluskey, Milne. There will be a split. It's what they do. McDonnell's already looking a bit isolated. Lansman has been a lot more pro-active on the AS issue. UNITE is challenging Milne's sway over the Leader's Office, with Karie Murphy and Jennie Formby becoming more influential in Westminster and the Party apparatus.

They need Corbyn now, but he's pushing 70 and he's only a pawn in their game.

Well if Corbyn has a conscience he should be resigning

After all under his leadership anti Semitism has become such an issue to the point Jewish MP’s feel unwelcome in the party

you believe in the rule of the mob This sort of language is always the sign of a weak case. I may try it if I'm ever up in court and the evidence against me is overwhelming.

And the evidence against Corbyn on this matter is overwhelming, despite your dislike of whatever source. And despite your dodging my questions -- particularly about McDonnell's 'apology'....

Corbyn encouraged the Prov'-IRA back when they were murdering his fellow MP's and citizens. You've been provided with copious amounts of evidence and direct testimony that go towards proving the fact. He supported and encouraged them to carry on killing and racketeering and continues to lie about it. This is the view of Ireland’s Taoiseach. The man at the centre of the peace process, Seamus Mallon. The security services and even a former member of the the PIRA.

Gerry Adams came to Westminster for Tea at Corbyn's request in 1984, [the man who a couple of weeks earlier, ok'd the attempted murder of the woman who's office Corbyn now covets] and he wasn't arrested either. What does that tell us. That he ought not to have been?
Or that he wasn't an evil bastard, happy to slaughter and maim innocent civilians to further his aims?

Those points you listed are from the Terrorism Act 2006 BTW. Corbyn's actions took place long before that.

This position of yours that: he wasn't charged so couldn't have been guilty' is a strawman and I suspect mainly motivated by a need to have the last word.

This is not as you claim "besides the point" either. It is key to understanding why Labour, in the last GE couldn't even beat he most unpopular, hapless Conservative leader in living memory, who held possibly the worst election campaign ever. Corbyn is utterly reprehensible to the decent majority of people in this country and if he cared one iota for the labour Party, would haul his contemptible hide off to the back benches to wage on with his ancient battles alone...

The future? I think the knife in the back will come from the Left, not the Right

I agree Thymeout. They will, as ideologues always do, eventually they'll break up into different groups and subgroups and start attacking each other over who is the purest. It will probably become very nasty too.

I'm not saying it will reach quite Venezuelan levels, but its important to remember that violence and hatred is stitched into the thinking and language of the far left. They graduate from "tax the rich" to "eat the rich" to "kill the rich" to "kill anyone who opposes killing the rich" to "kill any dissenter". We've seen it again and again around the world.

Are you suggesting 2 women will come up to Corbyn and smother him with Sarin? whilst Diane Abbott schemes in the background?

It must be remembered that Jo Cox MP was killed by a far right extremist and it is far right parties around Europe, such as FN, the Conservatives in the UK, AFD in Germany, the Sweden Democrats etc that want to deport and have carried out illegal deportations in the case of the Tories, want to leave the EU or have done so (almost) in the case of the Tories....
I think the Conservatives could teach teach Labour a thing or two about ditching yourself of leaders who ve passed their sell by dates.

It was reported (in the radio) that Jewish Labour MP’s may have bodyguards at this years conference

wtf I am hoping this will not be the case but having seen Momentum in action (as Corbyn did) it wouldn’t surprise me

He has to step down and the vileness of the far left ousted it’s a disgrace and a stain on our politics

The security services have thousands of people under surveillance someone showing sympathy or understanding towards particular groups isn’t a threat why on earth would they waste their time building a case against them when they are so overwhelmed with far more pressing issues it’s a nonsense argument

Found a great quite online...

The Labour party, for the many, not the Jew

I love how certain users try and conflate The Far right and Conservatives, I think that is quite telling. ~

Anyway, apparently Labour are to introduce penalties for "vexatious" antisemitism complaints, it just gets more comical.

Can you imagine them coming out with this for say, Islamophobia, does Labour policy on racism for any other minority include something like this? Who is going to decide if it's vexatious? The NEC? The body that includes people that literally think that Labour has never had any instances of antisemitism?

First time in my life I am circumspect about telling people my Jewish heritage (and my DD's) for fear of consequences.
I don't know which is more shameful- me being circumspect or this atmosphere of antisemitism that the Labour Party has created.

Yes I'm sure, as vile as the Tories are, if people came to their Party Conference threatening journalists and MP's to the extent that they needed security protection, they would be calling the police to expel those people. Not putting them on their governing body.

I know can you imagine the outcry (and rightly so) if it was discussed that Tory Muslim MP’s should consider having security at the annual conference

Yet I am not surprised that this might be considered for Labour Jewish MP’s

That’s how low the party have sunk that what Corbyn and Momentum have dragged Labour down to

apparently Labour are to introduce penalties for "vexatious" antisemitism complaints

Please tell me this is some sort of joke and that the party I once voted for haven't really sunk that far ... please??

And regarding planned security for jewish MPs at conference, I'm only waiting for the suggestions that, far from being a "need", this is something cooked up to portray themselves as victims

I'm sure Ruth Smeeth and Luciana Berger imagined those death threats. They should stop making such a fuss.

Quite so, bananafish

And according to the Indy the JLM have withdrawn from providing antisemitism training at conference this year, claiming that there's been censorship around what can be mentioned:

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/labour-antisemitism-row-jeremy-corbyn-jewish-movement-training-conference-a8496531.html